Poll: Ampere owners - do you own a FE/reference or AIB model?

[nitram100]

Managed to get 3060Ti FE a while back, absolutely love the thing, runs cool and quiet. I have a feeling this will be my next 'ati 5850' card where I love it to bits.

 

[Blue160]

Changed my vote. The Palit 3070 has now gone after I got a 3080 FE. Sold the 3070 for exactly what I paid after a year and a half of use. Strange times.

 

[spike2011]

Happy owner of £369 3060Ti FE didn't want to pay the scammy rip off price's of AIB model's, and it's the best card you can get for the money to power ratio run's cool an quiet perfect.

You got to be really desperate / insane to buy a AIB card for double the MSRP price lol.

 

[ChocAndGray]

I own a Strix OC 3090. I would have loved a reference card but they were more difficult to get at the time I bought.

 

[Nexus18]

Bumping this

 

[Bill Turnip]

Voted. However, would have also taken FE. Availability was dictating factor.

Why was this bumped?

 

[tommybhoy]

Voted. However, would have also taken FE. Availability was dictating factor.

Why was this bumped?

To perpetuate the myth that the easily available FE's were outselling aibs 2 to 1?

 

[Mercurial]

Snagged a FE 3060ti from NV in January when I put my build together. That's now being moved on to my daughters machine as a Christmas gift to replace an ageing RX580.

I bit the bullet on the OCUK Asrock RX6900XT deal for myself, as I'm betting the price/performance won't be matched this generation for a while, if at all.

Everyone's happy

Later edit - Just for completeness; I obtained the 3060ti by signing up to a Telegram group and getting lucky on the 2nd attempt.

 

[Nexus18]

Voted. However, would have also taken FE. Availability was dictating factor.

Why was this bumped?

Same old talk of how apparently it is/was impossible to get FE in rdna 3 thread yet according to this poll, shows it mustn't have been too bad Hence the bump just to see if any new voters and so on.

 

[Bill Turnip]

Depends on timescale though. Now isn't the same as nearly a year ago as Nvidia have been releasing more and more FEs lately, haven't they?

 

[Nexus18]

Depends on timescale though. Now isn't the same as nearly a year ago as Nvidia have been releasing more and more FEs lately, haven't they?

Results won't suddenly change over night, as said, this thread is in reference to comments made in rdna 3 thread, I am curious to see if FE will take of now though or if AIB will since their prices have crashed. I don't think there has been much of an improvement in the FE availability situation for ampere but could be wrong on that.

 

[Gavster]

I have a 3080ti FE and previously had a 3080 FE which took a couple of months to get.

 

[VersionMonkey]

Results won't suddenly change over night, as said, this thread is in reference to comments made in rdna 3 thread, I am curious to see if FE will take of now though or if AIB will since their prices have crashed. I don't think there has been much of an improvement in the FE availability situation for ampere but could be wrong on that.

In analysing your results, you should also take into account that any time somebody posted here last year asking when graphics cards would come back into stock they were instructed to install telegram and be ready to instantly react to buy an FE card, usually by multiple posters.

Not sure how you ought to account for that sample bias in your report, though.

 

[Nexus18]

In analysing your results, you should also take into account that any time somebody posted here last year asking when graphics cards would come back into stock they were instructed to install telegram and be ready to instantly react to buy an FE card, usually by multiple posters.

Not sure how you ought to account for that sample bias in your report, though.

As per OP:

As per subject title.

Be interesting to see just how many people on here own a FE, obviously we are a niche forum of "enthusiasts" so won't be representative for the mass majority of PC gamers.....

Thread was created to see just how many had FE compared to AIB as we have had a few saying "fake msrp", "can't buy a fe", "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices" etc. this thread proves otherwise.

No doubting if you wanted to buy a FE, you would have had to sign up to telegram etc. same way you also had to do the same for rdna 2 and even consoles last year.

 

[VersionMonkey]

Thread was created to see just how many had FE compared to AIB as we have had a few saying "fake msrp", "can't buy a fe", "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices" etc. this thread proves otherwise.

No doubting if you wanted to buy a FE, you would have had to sign up to telegram etc. same way you also had to do the same for rdna 2 and even consoles last year.

People who came here looking for a graphics card got told to sign up to alerts and buy an FE card. It is in the class of "well duh" statistical analysis to then have a poll that finds that people who come here have indeed in many cases signed up to alerts and bought an FE card. It doesn't prove anything.

That doesn't make FE cards in any reasonable or sensible way generally available. They are clearly not impossible to buy, but trying to get one comes with an opportunity cost which can be insurmountable for many people.

Given you bumped this thread because some[1] pointed this out in the AMD thread in relation to pricing and availability, I might as well carry on here:

For that reason (the opportunity cost), when it comes to price comparison they don't count (so "fake MSRP") - just as AMD MBA cards don't count when they aren't generally available either (or cost more than their MSRP). The reasonable price comparison is between products that are generally available to buy without jumping through additional hoops, which was and currently is, and probably will be for at least the near future AIB to AIB.

Oh and it wasn't necessary to sign up for alerts to get an RDNA 2 card.

[1] Me included, but that was only because somebody said FE cards were available for over 15 minutes, like it was some kind of mega-flood of availability. It's not. FE cards should only be considered generally available[2] when a potential customer can go the Nvidia site at a time of their choosing and order one. Until then, it's just marketing bait and switch.
[2] You're in the business so you know what GA means, right? When a product is available to buy, yes?

 

[Nexus18]

People who came here looking for a graphics card got told to sign up to alerts and buy an FE card. It is in the class of "well duh" statistical analysis to then have a poll that finds that people who come here have indeed in many cases signed up to alerts and bought an FE card. It doesn't prove anything.

That doesn't make FE cards in any reasonable or sensible way generally available. They are clearly not impossible to buy, but trying to get one comes with an opportunity cost which can be insurmountable for many people.

Given you bumped this thread because some[1] pointed this out in the AMD thread in relation to pricing and availability, I might as well carry on here:

For that reason (the opportunity cost), when it comes to price comparison they don't count (so "fake MSRP") - just as AMD MBA cards don't count when they aren't generally available either (or cost more than their MSRP). The reasonable price comparison is between products that are generally available to buy without jumping through additional hoops, which was and currently is, and probably will be for at least the near future AIB to AIB.

Oh and it wasn't necessary to sign up for alerts to get an RDNA 2 card.

[1] Me included, but that was only because somebody said FE cards were available for over 15 minutes, like it was some kind of mega-flood of availability. It's not. FE cards should only be considered generally available[2] when a potential customer can go the Nvidia site at a time of their choosing and order one. Until then, it's just marketing bait and switch.
[2] You're in the business so you know what GA means, right? When a product is available to buy, yes?

It proves that the comments of:

"fake msrp", "can't buy a fe", "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices"

Are a load of nonsense as this polls shows that we could in fact buy FE at MSRP. Even poor Tommy managed to get one after what a year or 2? So again, it's not "fake"..... Fake to me is a place holder price where there is "zero" chance of being able to buy for MSRP, this was not the case as proven by this poll.

You're also missing this point:

No doubting if you wanted to buy a FE, you would have had to sign up to telegram etc. same way you also had to do the same for rdna 2 and even consoles last year.

That goes for AIB models last year too.

I was signed up for both the 6800xt and 3080 as originally was siding with 6800xt but like I said, I saw hardly any pop up in stock let alone for msrp.

If people chose to pay AIB prices or/and not hold out for nvidia FE, that is their choice.

 

[tommybhoy]

It's a "fake msrp" if you can't get a FE today.

You "can't buy a fe" right now, it'll take approximately 14 months to get one.

Nearly "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices"

 

[VersionMonkey]

You're also missing this point:

No doubting if you wanted to buy a FE, you would have had to sign up to telegram etc. same way you also had to do the same for rdna 2 and even consoles last year.

That goes for AIB models last year too.

No, I explicitly answered that point.

Oh and it wasn't necessary to sign up for alerts to get an RDNA 2 card.

I know that because I bought an AIB RDNA 2 card, last year. Without signing up for any alerts.

By your very own reasoning (at least some people managed to buy without signing up for alerts) that means your highlighted assertion is a load of nonsense. Or does it take setting up a poll with an inbuilt selection bias to "prove" it?

You on the other hand are ignoring the fact that if an individual is unable (say through work or other commitments) to jump throught the extra hoops needed to get an FE card even now then Nvidia's MSRP is entirely irrelevant to them - it is a completely fake MSRP to them because they cannot take advantage of it.

Even if an individual can make themself and their credit card available at Nvidia's convenience to give them money within the very narrow time window the FE cards are actually available (15 whole minutes last time!), that having to make themself available at a moments notice also imposes a cost on them. Not necessarily a direct monetary cost, but one such that buying a more expensive card that is available when it's convenient for them to buy (rather than convenient to Nvidia to sell) is more attractive. Just because you might not consciously value your time enough to care about the extra effort you have to go to buy an FE card doesn't mean there isn't a cost to it and again points to the MSRP of the FE cards not telling the whole story.

In short, the MRSP of FE cards is "fake" because the product is not generally available.

You bumped this thread to try to "prove" that the FE MSRP is a valid comparison point, so I'll make this point again: if you want to make a sound price comparison you need to compare products that are similarly available to you to buy. That means AIB to AIB. Not AIB to FE and likely not MBA to FE either. Not until FE cards and MBA cards are properly in stock.

 

[VersionMonkey]

It's a "fake msrp" if you can't get a FE today.

You "can't buy a fe" right now, it'll take approximately 14 months to get one.

Nearly "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices"

You said it much more succinctly than I did.

 

[Nexus18]

It's a "fake msrp" if you can't get a FE today.

You "can't buy a fe" right now, it'll take approximately 14 months to get one.

Nearly "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices"

Not according to this poll

No, I explicitly answered that point.



I know that because I bought an AIB RDNA 2 card, last year. Without signing up for any alerts.

By your very own reasoning (at least some people managed to buy without signing up for alerts) that means your highlighted assertion is a load of nonsense. Or does it take setting up a poll with an inbuilt selection bias to "prove" it?

You on the other hand are ignoring the fact that if an individual is unable (say through work or other commitments) to jump throught the extra hoops needed to get an FE card even now then Nvidia's MSRP is entirely irrelevant to them - it is a completely fake MSRP to them because they cannot take advantage of it.

Even if an individual can make themself and their credit card available at Nvidia's convenience to give them money within the very narrow time window the FE cards are actually available (15 whole minutes last time!), that having to make themself available at a moments notice also imposes a cost on them. Not necessarily a direct monetary cost, but one such that buying a more expensive card that is available when it's convenient for them to buy (rather than convenient to Nvidia to sell) is more attractive. Just because you might not consciously value your time enough to care about the extra effort you have to go to buy an FE card doesn't mean there isn't a cost to it and again points to the MSRP of the FE cards not telling the whole story.

In short, the MRSP of FE cards is "fake" because the product is not generally available.

You bumped this thread to try to "prove" that the FE MSRP is a valid comparison point, so I'll make this point again: if you want to make a sound price comparison you need to compare products that are similarly available to you to buy. That means AIB to AIB. Not AIB to FE and likely not MBA to FE either. Not until FE cards and MBA cards are properly in stock.

Again, you are missing the point:

"fake msrp", "can't buy a fe", "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices"

Now look at this poll and see just how false/fake those statements are.... oh wait. Want me to screenshot my invoice order showing 3080 FE for £650 too? Therefore it is not a case of

"fake msrp", "can't buy a fe", "everyone has had to pay the scalping prices"

It really is very simple this. Want to know how we could easily "correct" this so people stop getting their panties in a twist:

"Whilst it is possible to buy a FE, due to how quickly they go out of stock, it is very hard to get one, not impossible, however, you will have a better chance of buying an overpriced AIB compared to FE"

Simple.

Maybe create a thread for rdna 2 to see just how many people in the UK managed to get "MBA" for MSRP, I would certainly be interested in seeing them figures

PS. I was working during the time and managed to get it fine, as pointed out above and I know a couple in real life, they managed just fine to get one on their mobile when out and about.... Suppose those are "fake" comments too though?

Again, read this:

If people chose to pay AIB prices or/and not hold out for nvidia FE, that is their choice.