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Eh - I won't be getting one, it's twice what I was prepared to pay - massively overpriced if this is true:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2258651/uk-pricing-ipad-revealed
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2258651/uk-pricing-ipad-revealed
despite a fair few of us wanting and looking for such a device.
what you mean is you think it is useless for your needs, or you don't understand the point of it.
if it was capable of playing back other video files such as mkv and avi it would be perfect for me....I like itunes and all but I dont relish the thought of converting all my video files to m4v before I could watch them on there.
would be even better if I could watch them off a network share via the wifi
but i'd settle for just playback of other video files lol. maybe if it gets jailbroken?
would be even better if I could watch them off a network share via the wifi
but i'd settle for just playback of other video files lol. maybe if it gets jailbroken?
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Probably it's best function will be for watching movies downloaded from itunes as the ipad will be better for viewing due to it's larger screen. I have an ipod touch and watch movies on that whenever i am on a flight somewhere to pass the time.
The ipad seems a good gadget to me but i will not be getting one for a while anyway, that is if i do at all.
The ipad seems a good gadget to me but i will not be getting one for a while anyway, that is if i do at all.
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I've already PDF'd the last 3 issues of Home Cinema Choice, so my main use will be a book reader and bedroom surfer
I'll definitely be getting one. I only use my Macbook Pro while sat on the sofa and it is a terrible position to use it in.
I'm looking forward to web browsing with the touch screen. Also i'm sure that a lot of my favourite websites like Facebook/Engadget etc will update their apps to be iPad friendly and make them a lot richer than a website could ever be, as well as having offline viewing.
I don't understand why people are complaining about the price. Its only around £350 + VAT and for that you'll get a lovely capitative touchscreen with long battery, fast processor and a thin aluminium body. Thats about what you'd pay for one of those flimsy netbooks with windows XP.
I'm looking forward to web browsing with the touch screen. Also i'm sure that a lot of my favourite websites like Facebook/Engadget etc will update their apps to be iPad friendly and make them a lot richer than a website could ever be, as well as having offline viewing.
I don't understand why people are complaining about the price. Its only around £350 + VAT and for that you'll get a lovely capitative touchscreen with long battery, fast processor and a thin aluminium body. Thats about what you'd pay for one of those flimsy netbooks with windows XP.
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Or maybe it's what you'd pay for a Dual Core 15.6" laptop with Windows 7 Home Premium, running a processor at twice the speed, 250GB HDD, DVD Rom, USB ports and an LED screen. Not to mention a battery you can change, and OS that you can customise to your hearts content, Flash, any movie you like without having to convert it to a standard codec and no bowing down to Steve (his overlordship) Jobbie.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=LT-137-AC&groupid=959&catid=1201&subcat=
Or if you go outside of OcUK then you can get even more!
That's why people are complaining about the price - it is excessive for a gadget that is as anally controlled as an iPhone and iPod touch and extremely limited in capability. Yes it's nice, it's shiney but it's so under specced it's not funny - an no web cam?!?!?!? Apple have approached this over a very long time period and the end result I believe has suffered.
Had this come out at around the £200 price point for the entry level model then I would've been all over it, but when you compare it to any other offering on the market at the same price point it just doesn't cut it. IMO of course.
But what alternatives? there are none. It is not running against laptops/netbooks. They are two totally different markets and devices.
What alternatives have long battery life, can be held like a book/magazine with no silly keyboard attached, that doesn't have a full OS.
I don't think you get it. I don't want a laptop. I want something I can chill on the sofa with to read a few websites with, play a few games on and check my emails. If I want to write a long email or edit photos or something i'll use my laptop.
So what if it doesn't run Flash. Flash is only good for 3 things - Videos, Adverts and games.
For videos it kills the battery and you have the Youtube app and can load your own shows onto the device.
For games the iPad would not work due to almost all flash games needing one of the following
a. a mouse that you can hover over things with
b. right click
c. a keyboard
the correct solution to this are apps on the app store, a developer can make a 3d accelerated game designed for the iPad and give it away for free.
A battery you can change - 99% of people never change the battery in their computers and putting that into the product adds a lot of unnessesary bulk.
250Gb Hard drive - Really? Adding a hard drive would kill the battery and increase the size massively. The iPad isn't designed to be the main place you store all your stuff, you load a few films onto it, watch them, then come back and load a few different ones on a few weeks later.
DVD ROM - erm do you want something portable or a full blown PC?
OS that you can customise to your hearts content - I'd rather have something that needed no maintenance, wasn't flakey and looked pretty nice to begin with.
under specced it's not funny - one more time: IT IS NOT A PC! it is a mobile device with a battery life of 10 Hours .
no web cam - Where would you put it? On the front for video chats? If you had it there the other person would see a view up your nose, on the back? who's going to walk around with an iPad taking pictures/video?
It sounds as if you want a laptop. Why not just buy one instead of complaining that something completely different isn't one?
Seems to be all the same arguments people had against the iPhone.
Why should I spend x when I can get x with all these extra features and does all these other things. Yet somehow overlook all the things the device does that no other device is doing on the market right now.
Why should I spend x when I can get x with all these extra features and does all these other things. Yet somehow overlook all the things the device does that no other device is doing on the market right now.
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This is hardly a full OS. It's extremely basic and roped in much like the iPhone and iPod touch. Don't get me wrong I love the concept and I love the idea of having this slick device that can sit on my coffee table and be used as a soafer surfer but that is what I see this as - a glorified eBook reader. So it does movies, you can take it on the plane and watch whatever you like as long as you've gone to the extended effort of either buying them off iTunes or gone through the laborious process of converting formats for viewing.
Power? Many planes these days provide you with power at your seats so extended battery life in those situations becomes a moot issue.
You're not going to carry this around with you every day - size wise it's gone beyond the sweet spot of the likes of the Kindle, Nook or the Sony readers.
It's not pliable like a magazine so you're going to have to carry it in a satchel or your backpack and I guarantee you we will be seeing people with smashed screens in no time at all.
Apple are making their own class of device, or at least firing the opening salvo at the web slate market, but they have not gone far enough capability wise for the amount they are expecting people to pay. As a photographer 64GB is not enough storage to make it as useful as a laptop. Music? My iTunes collection is much larger especially if you have to factor in movies, books and apps. It has all the potential for things like web calls and that sort of thing but no webcam? It's a lovely device but I personally think they are dreaming if they thing that people are going to lap it up the same way they did with the iPhone and iPod.
Other issues I see with it:
- No memory expansion - due to Jobs design rule of no seams
- No changable battery - as above - also it's a nice money turner for Apple
- Next to non existant IO - no USB... really?
- Form factor - it's big and no more capable than an iPhone for the average user and yet costs significantly more - iPhone has a brilliant browser, GPS, 3G, e-mail, watch movies etc etc etc... and it sits in your pocket.
- Lack of keyboard - really if you're that hardcore an e-mailer that you need something better than the iPhone... you're going to want a physical keyboard - especially if you're trying to use the thing on your lap sitting at an airport or on the train - from an ergonomic perspective you're going to have to hunch over it when it is laid flat or type one handed whilst holding it in the other because the keyboard is too broad to type with thumbs like on smart phones.
- No flash - not really a biggy but it does seem like something of an omission especially when it comes to those that like to watch streamed video content of either adult or not nature.
- It's a luxury item - iPhone worked because people need phones - it added desireable features like email, video, maps, GPS, games etc. What does the iPad offer - books? have you ever tried reading a book on a laptop... it's not fun.
Personally I think it is a brilliant device to be sitting at home or to take on holiday for checking e-mails, reading the news perhaps showing people some photos but in anger it falls short. More so because to get the really capable device you're going to have to part ways with the better part of £600-£700.
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-then why is it priced like a laptop?
eh? what games do you play? hell stacks of games online that use flash are easily convertable to a multitouch screen. Granted flash video is tough on battery life but it seems strange to me (and apparently a great many tech pundits) that omitting it is near sited.
My last iPod I changed the battery twice, we often get people at work requiring replacement batteries for their laptops and quite often they will travel with an extra. I'm not sure you're really that exposed to how people use their devices in the real world.
Sooo - I go away on holiday and I have to take both my laptop and my iPad? that's non-sensical. I don't want to take two devices around with me when they cost luggage weight. It's the issue of where does the device fit in.
My music collection is large as is my movie collection. 16GB disappears rapidly.
No I want something in that form factor that cost half as much. If I want to pay PC prices for it, I'll get a PC.
Flakey? I'd like something that can multitask, that I can install whatever I like on and one that can't be arbitrarily broken by the people I bought it off. As for Flakey - Windows 7 is not only brilliant looking but also rock solid. If yours is flakey then perhaps you should stick to your 'my first OS' iPhone software.
Again - if it's not a PC then why is it priced like one. Lets be honest here - you don't want the 16GB wifi only one at £400, what you really want is the 3G enabled one with 64GB at £800 - and that my friend doesn't make any sense at all especially once you factor in the ongoing price of the mobile 3G at around £300 /year.
Because what I wanted was a nice slick device that I could easily check my e-mails, read some books, maybe look at the odd movie and check out some websites all at a reasonable price - so around the £200 - £250 mark. Instead I can get all of that at the same price that I can get a far superior device.
- No memory expansion - Yes that is a smal problem, but that is also Apples way. Really what will you use memory cards for?
- No changable battery - This is a none issue, less than 1% of people change batteries
- Next to non existant IO - what do you want one for? A useful feature but what would you really use it for. It has wifi and I assume bluetooth
- Form factor - It's massively more capable than Iphone for a start you can browse websites properly and watch videos.
- Lack of keyboard - It is not for doing hardcore emailing, that is why no keybaord is needed. A keyboard gets in the way for most people. It is a browsing and video device. Not a work device
keyboard - Again this is not a work device.
- It's a luxury item - yes it is, but so is a laptop for most people. Most people do not need a laptop to do office work. For those people browsing is the main task with some video watching. Those people now have a choice. A laptop which does everything under teh sun, but you need a table to use it, or a nifty bit of kit which is designed for the few tasks it actually needs to perform.
It's the same as phone contracts why pay £5 more for a 1000 more minutes, when you don't even use all your current minutes up.
same with Ipad, why have a big hard drive, more powerfull cpu. When you aren't even using it.
It is not to do loads of long emails on or office work. it is for browsing and watching videos in a comfortable seated/lying down position. Where this will be a million times more comftable than a netbook. for the sheer fact it is designed ot be held, not to be sat on a desk.
- No changable battery - This is a none issue, less than 1% of people change batteries
- Next to non existant IO - what do you want one for? A useful feature but what would you really use it for. It has wifi and I assume bluetooth
- Form factor - It's massively more capable than Iphone for a start you can browse websites properly and watch videos.
- Lack of keyboard - It is not for doing hardcore emailing, that is why no keybaord is needed. A keyboard gets in the way for most people. It is a browsing and video device. Not a work device
keyboard - Again this is not a work device.
- It's a luxury item - yes it is, but so is a laptop for most people. Most people do not need a laptop to do office work. For those people browsing is the main task with some video watching. Those people now have a choice. A laptop which does everything under teh sun, but you need a table to use it, or a nifty bit of kit which is designed for the few tasks it actually needs to perform.
It's the same as phone contracts why pay £5 more for a 1000 more minutes, when you don't even use all your current minutes up.
same with Ipad, why have a big hard drive, more powerfull cpu. When you aren't even using it.
It is not to do loads of long emails on or office work. it is for browsing and watching videos in a comfortable seated/lying down position. Where this will be a million times more comftable than a netbook. for the sheer fact it is designed ot be held, not to be sat on a desk.
At 0.7kg (double of the kindle) this is most certainly not designed to be held for long periods of time comfortably. Yeah it would beat a netbook while sitting with no table but after 10mins holding up to face the ipad will be resting on your lap. On a plane with fold down table the netbook wins.
Lying down the netbook wins as you just lie on your side with netbook seated next to you. And really don't see the ipad being comfortable lying on your back at all for long periods.
I can see this as being handy in the home just for quickly looking things up, showing photos but oh so much cheaper.
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