It is less than a hardcover book, which most people can hold comfortably for very long periods.
And I disagree other than plane. Ipad will be far more comfortable. I've had laptops and they are not good for sitting around or lying around.
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It is less than a hardcover book, which most people can hold comfortably for very long periods.
And I disagree other than plane. Ipad will be far more comfortable. I've had laptops and they are not good for sitting around or lying around.
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I'm not critisising completely as a device - I think it's really slick as per usual from Apple but, and for me it's a big but, it's overpriced for what it does.
It costs the same for the lowest version of an iPad as a well specced laptop. It costs the same as an extremely capable PC at its high end. This to me doesn't make sense. You aren't paying for what you get, you are paying for what it might've been, what it could potentially be.
I like it, I really do. I think it's that stepping stone into a completely new, intelligent device that we're all eventually going to be carrying around with us. I agree it makes more sense than a fliptop lid laptop anyday... as long as it exists as a device that makes sense for what it costs - and to me, it doesn't - not even by a small way. Especially when I have an Android phone in one pocket that is a very capable web browser, email client and communications device and when I have an iPod touch in the other pocket that I can browse the web, again in a very capable manner, and watch movies, check my e-mail and listen to my music. Does making it bigger and adding books make me think that paying twice what I have for my iPod and then chucking in a mobile contract to boot make sense? To me it does not. One day at a more sensible price absolutely, right now, hell no.
It costs the same for the lowest version of an iPad as a well specced laptop. It costs the same as an extremely capable PC at its high end. This to me doesn't make sense. You aren't paying for what you get, you are paying for what it might've been, what it could potentially be.
I like it, I really do. I think it's that stepping stone into a completely new, intelligent device that we're all eventually going to be carrying around with us. I agree it makes more sense than a fliptop lid laptop anyday... as long as it exists as a device that makes sense for what it costs - and to me, it doesn't - not even by a small way. Especially when I have an Android phone in one pocket that is a very capable web browser, email client and communications device and when I have an iPod touch in the other pocket that I can browse the web, again in a very capable manner, and watch movies, check my e-mail and listen to my music. Does making it bigger and adding books make me think that paying twice what I have for my iPod and then chucking in a mobile contract to boot make sense? To me it does not. One day at a more sensible price absolutely, right now, hell no.
But neither of those fill the roll, Yes you get better specs. But those are wasted specs you aren't going to use them. It's the same as paying an extra £5 a month for an extra 100minutes on a phone contract. When you don't even use your current minutes up.
You are paying for the usability. The touch screen will cost a fair bit.
Why get better specs when a) you don't use them B) you forfeit usability (obviusley this depends what you use the device for) but that is why it is not a replacement for a laptop.
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Bad example a hardcover is not comfortable to hold and the hardcover goes down on the lap and fingers get stretched for page turns. Not comfortable! If I was reading a hardcover on a plane the table would be down. Reading a book in bed lying on side, book on lap - its never really comfortable after a certain period - will be same with iPad.
Nothing that is held is comfortable for long periods. Netbooks gets the nod as it can support itself.
For the pick up and instant on ipad has some mileage when price comes down.
Get a notebook then, I read hardback books and have no problem. I'll be getting a tablet hopfully msi android if it is any good. I'll finally be getting what I've wanted for years. It'll suit my needs much better than a notebook. I don't mind paying the same as it fits my needs far better and those extra megahertz are just wasted and aren't used.
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*sigh* another tablet overpriced for what it is capable of. It's people like you that feed the market for overpriced gadgets. You don't mind paying heaps for it because... a) you can't get it for cheaper so you'll just dish out b) you buy into the marketing spiel that you're getting more than just a glorified mobile phone because it's pretty and c) you somehow have convinced yourself that it is fulfilling a need that you didn't know you had before they told you that you had it. Such a consumer.
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Current tablets have hardly set the world alight, now we have Apples take on it for better or worse. The iPod and iPhone gives them a better than average chance of getting it right and delivering something that ordinary people will want to use (not techy types who consider specs as the be all and end all of a devices worth).
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*cough*or value for money*cough*
Looks like there is another very capable lookin bit of kit on the market...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/hanvon-touchpad-bc10c-and-ba10e-hands-on/
Yeah it runs Windows 7 but (other than not knowing the specs) it looks preeety decent and pretty much what a lot of people wanted the iPad to be...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/hanvon-touchpad-bc10c-and-ba10e-hands-on/
Yeah it runs Windows 7 but (other than not knowing the specs) it looks preeety decent and pretty much what a lot of people wanted the iPad to be...
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So cheaper than the iPad, has a full OS, USB, HDMI, SD and multitouch. I bet the battery is pretty average but you know, I think I'd go with a shorter battery life and get better value for money, more capability and more grunt.
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I would like one for general use around the house and when you go on holiday. Does it bring anything new to the table that my iPhone can't already do?
No, not really but it does the media playback, web browsing, mail etc far better. Sure the iPhone can do it...but I am expecting the iPad to excel at stuff like this.
No, not really but it does the media playback, web browsing, mail etc far better. Sure the iPhone can do it...but I am expecting the iPad to excel at stuff like this.
Apple are a premium brand who chare premium prices for a permium experience. Their cheapest laptop is £816. therefore £500 is not priced like a laptop
'easily convertible' is not a good solution. i reckon over 50% of games would not work properly with an iPad, how many games are going to be converted for the iPad? not many. To the average consumer 'this game is not optimised for the iPad' = 'it is broken'
the iPod doesn't have a replaceable battery and you replaced that fine, what makes you think you won't be able to replace the iPad's? The iPad is not a work device, people rarely replace their batteries in their devices. I have never heard any non technical person I know ask me about how they can replace the battery in their Laptop/phone/camera, they have usually broken or replaced it before this becomes a major issue.
You Don't? If I was on holiday I wouldn't be doing a lot of typing or input intensive work, I'd just be sending emails, photos, checking a few websites etc. This is what the iPad does best, what would you need to do that the iPad can't?
16Gb is the smallest size, 64Gb is the largest. That's enough for around 30 DVD quality films in addition to around 20 days of music. If you can't get back to a laptop to put some new stuff on before you've seen all that you would probably need a laptop.
Also you're already complaining about price as it is, unless you put a HDD in (yuk!) it is well known that Flash memory is pricey.
Get one of the many clones that will come out soon then.
Yes Windows 7 is a great desktop OS, i use it at work for 8 hours every day. However it is not a great mobile OS, it's touchscreen functionalty is not quite up to scratch, you can't leave it sat in standby on battery for 10 days and it still has all the vendor derived problems such as crappy flakey drivers and software not designed for a touchscreen. In addition you will need extra things like Virus Scanning etc.
You may call it 'my first OS' but simple to use != just for simpletons. Why make it more complicated for the sake of it. The one thing it is missing is multitasking which will probably be around in the summer, but is by no means a deal breaker - I only have one set of hands and one brain, so can only do one thing at once, by multitasking most people mean 'ability to switch between apps easily' which the iPad can mostly do.
The 64Gb 3G one is ~£550+VAT, you can use any 3G service provider, or even put the sim card from your phone into it. Dedicated iPad plans will be around £10 a month. Do some more research.
Do it then. Remember though: a fancy fast processor and every I/O interface under the sun is not all all that makes a good device.
Well apparently they will be around the same price, but why do they have two models? Both can't be the same price id assume?
EDIT: Found some interesting specs: http://www.netbookchoice.com/2010/03...h-chic-design/
Two models:
BC10C - 1.3GHz celeron, 2GB RAM, 250GB HDD and €600-700
BC10E - 1.6GHz Atom, 1GB RAM, 120GB HDD and the option of an active digitiser so styluses can be used! €500
I agree to an extent, if you just want a basic web browser then something like the iPad will do but a lot of people want more.
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I'd take a laptop and an e-reader. The laptop for the emails, photos etc (i'm really not sure how good the iPad will actually be for that tbh) and the e-reader as a thing to read on (which doesn;t have the negatives of the iPad for reading)...
Clones? Most were released/previewed before the iPad, if anything the iPad is a clone...
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And capability wise their cheapest laptop is equivalent to a £400 laptop. You are paying for the brand and for an admittedly nice OS but when we're talking about laptops you want it to be able to deal with everything you throw at it. I'd rather not have to dish out twice the money for a pretty Apple on the back of the lid. Personally I think you're a mug if you do.
That's just an arbitrary number that you've pulled out of the air. I think the fact that there are a huge number of games on the iPhone and iPod Touch that are essentially the same format as a vast number of flash games online kinda makes your point... well... pointless. Aside from the fact that when you quote a supporting statistic, 50% is not a good place to start as you leave the equal amount on the other side - hardly a solid argument.
If you dish out between £400 and £700 for a device, do you not want to get more than 18months of use out of it? Just because your mates don't replace batteries doesn't mean anyone else doesn't. Oddly there is a reason why you can buy batteries for these devices - because people replace them.
Being a photographer I take a great many photos, I'd like to be able to download, edit then upload if needs be. Also the latest generation of DSLR cameras do full HD filming, can't download and edit that on the iPad. I periodically write on a blog, insert images, cut and paste text etc... can't easily do that on an iPad. Either way it's a moot issue - my point is that I have 2 devices that does all these things you talk about - ie lightweight e-mailing and web browsing, in my Android phone and my iPod Touch. Neither of which costs anything remotely close to the iPad. The iPad does not do anything revolutionary, doesn't do anything new well (i.e. book reading - reading on a screen is just painful) and what it does do it does at an exorbitant premium that is for some bizarre reason being defended by Apple fans that have been fed this need by Apple. Ironically Apple have already fulfilled this need... go figure.
And yes, once you hit the 64GB 3G version the price versus performance goes even further down, vastly in fact. You pay an extra £400 for an extra 48GB of memory and a 3G chip... whoopie - and like I've already said, once you tack on the £300 per year for the mobile contract you've dished out £1000 for a machine no more capable than your iPhone which you've gotten on contract with your mobile provider. So you're paying for your Apple iPhone 3GS 32GB £549 + mobile contract (lets say £30/Month not including over tariff charges) so £360 /year - so conservatively £909 for 12 months on that. Then you get the 64GB 3G iPad (because it's good at web browsing, emailing and reading books) at £693 + a data contract of conservatively £180 /year - so around £873 for a device that does the same as your £909 / year device. They saw you coming.
No I don't think that what people mean at all when they talk about multitasking. They mean being able to work on their emails, switch to a web browser, check a map, take a call and have it all running at the same time - iPad and iPhone can not do this. You aren't switching between apps you are turning one off and then loading another.
The OS is not complex for the sake of it, in fact Windows 7 is not complex at all - it's very straight forward and intuative. When I say simple, I don't mean for simpletons, I mean simple as in it can't do simple things like a normal OS like Multitask, connect devices, print, make video calls, play imbedded videos in websites etc.
I did my research and the venerable Macworld was my source... dunno where you're looking. And £10 a month is for a 1GB limit... if you're using the iPad in anger by downloading TV episodes, Magazines (with multimedia) and books also ultimately with multimedia then 1GB/Month is going to disappear mighty quickly - Do your own research by all means but at least be reasonable with your assumptions.
Indeed not but then neither does charging stupid amount of money for it - something Apple have yet to learn.
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Struggling to justify buying one, lots of people seem to be almost inventing reasons to buy one as they do with a lot of apple products, even with the slightly faster imacs or whatever. Sofa surfing maybe and taking it up to York with me when I visit the missus, watch a film on the train too, but to be honest not having flash is a really big loss.
iPad (or it's decendents) will probably replace the Desktop (or Laptop) for people who view "going on the computer" as a bit of an event, using it occasionally for Facebook, email or Wikipedia type tasks or doing a bit of shopping / price checking.
Interacting directly with data by touching it with your fingers is very natural. Not having to deal with the "cruft" of 30 years of operating system traditions such as a directory structure or task management is a huge relief and reduces the cognitive overload for someone new to computing. Some people never get comfortable with computers, stick them in front of an iPad (or other appliance-type computers that get released) and they will likely be fine. They really are the future of mass-market computing.
I'd love one (already have an iPhone and a laptop hooked up to a monitor) mainly for browsing and apps while sat on the sofa or in bed, so probably Wifi only. I don't see them replacing the Desktop (or Laptop) for day to day work or creation-based tasks (photoshop, long writing, development); but I'd probably take it with me if I went to a conference or something rather than take a laptop.
That said I'd be much happier if Apple allowed "side-loading" of applications outside of the App Store, even if it's behind a load of disclaimers and warnings, hopefully competition from Android and other platforms will make that happen.
Interacting directly with data by touching it with your fingers is very natural. Not having to deal with the "cruft" of 30 years of operating system traditions such as a directory structure or task management is a huge relief and reduces the cognitive overload for someone new to computing. Some people never get comfortable with computers, stick them in front of an iPad (or other appliance-type computers that get released) and they will likely be fine. They really are the future of mass-market computing.
I'd love one (already have an iPhone and a laptop hooked up to a monitor) mainly for browsing and apps while sat on the sofa or in bed, so probably Wifi only. I don't see them replacing the Desktop (or Laptop) for day to day work or creation-based tasks (photoshop, long writing, development); but I'd probably take it with me if I went to a conference or something rather than take a laptop.
That said I'd be much happier if Apple allowed "side-loading" of applications outside of the App Store, even if it's behind a load of disclaimers and warnings, hopefully competition from Android and other platforms will make that happen.
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The fact that this is sold as a web browsing machine but lacks flash support means no purchase from me. Flash is such an integral part of the web these days that Apple are absolutely stupid to not include support for it. The only reason I can see that it doesn't support flash is because their hardware can't handle it? Just makes no sense whatsoever!
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