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A quick heads up for anyone with the Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence DVD but don't read places like AOD.

Apparently Dreamworks have finally admitted there is a problem with the subtitles, and are replacing them with a fixed version containing normal subs as well as the HOH ones.
If you've got one of the original discs it might be worth contacting the company you got it from an asking if they can arrange a swap for you (Dreamworks will replace them directly if you're in the U.S.)
 
Originally posted by Werewolf
A quick heads up for anyone with the Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence DVD but don't read places like AOD.

Apparently Dreamworks have finally admitted there is a problem with the subtitles, and are replacing them with a fixed version containing normal subs as well as the HOH ones.
If you've got one of the original discs it might be worth contacting the company you got it from an asking if they can arrange a swap for you (Dreamworks will replace them directly if you're in the U.S.)
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Woo!

I must get in contact with DVDPacific to get this disc swapped. I wonder if they will refund the cost of sending it?
 
no idea bangers :(

from what i can tell it's only just been announced, and depending on the amount of stock the retailers/wholesale companies have and how well Dreamworks inform them it could be a while.

I don't know if Dreamworks have actually issued a proper recall, or just shipping replacements when retailers order more, or when the original discs are sent back.
Reading the note at AOD, I would guess Dreamworks aren't doing a full recall though and are probably hoping most people/retailers won't notice (as they'd initially said the HOH only subs were intentional) :(


I beleive the fixed versions will have a V4 on the spine, which doesn't really help if you're ordering online.

The corrected discs are apparently available now, but as I say it might be a while for the stocks of the old discs to actually run out if there hasn't been a proper recall.
 
Originally posted by Werewolf
Apparently Dreamworks have finally admitted there is a problem with the subtitles, and are replacing them with a fixed version containing normal subs as well as the HOH ones.
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How are these subs problematic? Is it a technical fault or is it a mis-translation? And if it's a mistranslation, how extensive is it?
I'm asking because the subtitles in the version I saw in the cinema were sometimes VERY different in sense from the subtitles in a fansub I once saw, and I was wondering which of the two got it right.:)
(Can't remember many specific examples, one off the top of my head is when Batou and Togusa go to see the technician woman doing a "post-mortem" on the gynoid: in the fansub it's clear that the woman is working in the company that made them, in the movie I got the sense they were in the local precinct police station.)
 
The cinema subs were probably more accurate, besides anything else the translators for companies like Dreamworks tend to be much better at it (fluent in both languages) than many fansubbers and full access to the script and original production team (so no need for guesswork)

The problem with the DVD subs was that Dreamworks used a HOH subtitle track with things like [gunshots] and [helicoptor approaching] describing the background noise, rather than a proper/normal subtitle track with just the conversation.
 
i'm personally willing to bet on the official subs being closer to the original script in most cases* due to the manner in which they can/do access the original scripts during the translation rather than going purely by ear ;)





*I of course rule out shows that have been cut/edited for children or a particular time slot ;)
 
Originally posted by Werewolf

*I of course rule out shows that have been cut/edited for children or a particular time slot ;)
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That's my suspicion, although you wouldn't have thought of GITS as the kind of film that would be edited for kids...:confused:
There's always the chance that the final recordings of the actors' lines varied slightly from the original written script due to decisions taken by the director and actors during the recording sessions, and that the translators only had the outdated pre-recording versions to work from in order to ensure a quick US release.
 
Originally posted by Werewolf
A quick heads up for anyone with the Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence DVD but don't read places like AOD.

Apparently Dreamworks have finally admitted there is a problem with the subtitles, and are replacing them with a fixed version containing normal subs as well as the HOH ones.
If you've got one of the original discs it might be worth contacting the company you got it from an asking if they can arrange a swap for you (Dreamworks will replace them directly if you're in the U.S.)
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Glad I read this as I've just ordered it. Any idea How long should I wait for the fixed version to be in circulation ?
 
I think it's already in circulation :)

The possible problem is if Dreamworks haven't recalled the old discs, in which case it's going to be hit and miss as to which version you get for a while (as it's possible retailers will end up with stocks of both versions for a while).
 
Just finished the second disc of Cowboy Bebop, and I've got to admit i'd forgotten just how funny it is :) (and i'd never seen the next episode previews which are great)

If there is anyone reading this thread who likes anime but still hasn't seen Bebop, I'd highly recommend getting it :)

Oh and if anyone is interested it's basically the same layout on the disc as the first volume (no extras other than the trailers, and 5 episodes with duel audio and subs)
 
has anyone here watched this short movie called "Voices from a distant star"?

that movie is just sooo damn beautiful. the story is great. I love it totally

also anyone follow naruto here? the new manga chapter is out apperently and it rocks
 
Originally posted by Werewolf
Voices is extremely good, although it could do with being longer as apparently the book/story it's based on continues past where the OVA ends.
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I've got the disk need to rewatch it again at some point. when i watched it i loved it, for its sadness factor, the way the male lead clings desperatly to his mobile waiting for a message that may or may not arrive, or how long it arrives. on the last message he get he crys. a very touching anime, produced almost exclusivly by one person. *A big thumbs up from LC ont his one* You know f the book as a ttranslastion? i would like to know what happens. what happens to the female lead, it was odd coz its like the aliens or what ever they were, were trying to comunicate? with her.
I so need to watch thi again.

LostCorpse
 
Originally posted by ANDARIAL
@Lostcorpse
got my order today:)
HOWEVER.....
had to go to the po depot to collect it
******* CUSTOMS PUT A £8 SUMMAT charge on it:mad:
so the cost of the package was £31.42+customs £8+
delivery of about £5 in the price


ME NOT HAPPY:(
have been ordering from dvd boxoffice for YEARS and NEVER had a package stopped by customs
FIRST order from dvd pacific and WHAM charge
well i know who i wont be ordering from again:(

aint even opened the discs yet
ANDARIAL
moral of my story stay with who you know
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Just got my first order though today with customes :rolleyes: o`well. took about 2 weeks to get hear.
 
Originally posted by bun
has anyone here watched this short movie called "Voices from a distant star"?

that movie is just sooo damn beautiful. the story is great. I love it totally

also anyone follow naruto here? the new manga chapter is out apperently and it rocks
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a beautiful and poignant, but sad story. I like it. Bit short, though. The rumour was that somebody made that movie on a mac with some of his relatives doing the voices.
 
yup it is the actual concept of the "Voices from a distant star" I love so much. the message that arrives 8 years later. very very nice.

Yesterday I watched Princess Mononoke and I must admit I was stunt by the beauty of this piece. it's like disney cartoon from japan. beautifully done. I recommend it to all of you.

after watching the movie I spend 40 quid and bought the 3 DVD deluex edition :o god im poor again
 
Originally posted by blade007
a beautiful and poignant, but sad story. I like it. Bit short, though. The rumour was that somebody made that movie on a mac with some of his relatives doing the voices.
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it's no rumour.

all the animation was done by a single guy on a Mac G4 with about 300gb of hard drive, and a gig of ram.

He and his GF (i think) did the initial voice work i beleive, and a friend did the music.

When it was released in the U.S. and here, it had 3 audio tracks including the original one he did for timing in addition to the proffessional Japanese track, and english track.




LC sorry to hear about the customs charge :(
I'm starting t think Customs are cracking down a bit again:(


I got this on another forum a while back, apparently it's a synopsys of what happened after the end of Voices
spoilers, don't read this if you haven't seen Voices

After the animation - summary from novel



March, 2056
Saitama Space Self Defense Force Base

News of the battle at Agharta has arrived on Earth. Initial reports are very confusing, but one thing is clear. Casualties were heavy, and the Lysithea was the sole survivor of the engagement. Noboru is called up to duty ahead of his deployment date. He is confused and worried. After all, he has just received the message Mikako sent before the battle earlier that day. The media releases an incomplete list of confirmed survivors, and Mikako’s name is not on it.

At Saitama base, Noboru finds out they are scrambling a rescue mission to rendezvous with Lysithea, which explains why he’s called up ahead of time. As he is being shipped out to the moon base, another message from Mikako arrives.


September, 2047
Lysithea

Mikako wakes up at the medical room. It was a close call for her, as her Tracer had lost all power and was traveling under inertia only. By the time the rescue crew got to her, she has already passed out. Mikako finds out that of the 1000 or so Tracer operators, only 172 survived the battle. Due to the lack of hanger space, her damaged Tracer was deemed not worth repairing and abandoned.

Commander Rokomov, who is in charge of the expedition, gathers his crew and informs them he is aborting their mission and returning to Earth. He has already requested a rescue ship from Earth. It will take 8 years and 7 months before Earth receives his message. In the mean time, Lysithea will move under its own power to the nearest anchor point, Sirius Alpha, which is 2.1 light years from Earth and 6.5 light years from Agharta. Traveling at sub-light speed, Lysithea can get there within the 8 years 7 months time span. Due to time dilation, only 4 years will pass for those onboard.

24-years old Noboru-kun.
It’s the 15-years old Mikako.
You must have heard about the battle at Agharta by now.
I’m alive.
And, very happy.
What I’ve been praying for so long, the day we’ll return to Earth, has finally been decided.
By the time this mail arrives, Mikako will be at anchor point Sirius Alpha.
From there, I’m sure the rescue ship will take us back to Earth.
We can finally meet each other, Noboru-kun.
When we meet, Mikako has something to tell Noboru-kun directly. Something that she wants to say for a long, long time.
But, not through mails.
Lysithea will get moving shortly.
24-years old Noboru-kun, I wonder where are you and what are you doing?
During the 4 years journey, Mikako will pass her boring days imagining about the 24-years old Noboru-kun.
The next time we meet, Mikako will be 19 years old from her perspective.
What kind of young woman will she turn out, look forward to the meeting and see for yourself.
Later.

—From Mikako, still 15-years old at this point


April, 2056
Rescue Ship

Noboru is assigned to one of the latest class of Cosmoknight (interstellar warship = Cosmoknight). It is equipped with a hyper-drive with a jump radius of 3 light years, and an experimental faster-than-light communication system. Noboru will serve as a communication technician onboard the ship. As one of the youngest and greenest crewmember, he works hard at learning his job while the ship travels to the jump-safe zone between Mars and Jupiter.

He digs up Nagamine’s service photo, and passes it around his crew mates, asking them to keep a lookout for her once they docked with the Lysithea. It is the first time he sees any visual records of Nagamine after she left. Seeing her at 15 years old, Noboru once again feels the length and weight of the 9 years that has passed since then.

Coming out of the warp jump, they find and make contact with Lysithea quickly. Noboru decides to send Nagamine a message.

To Nagamine
It’s been so long since you received a message from me, this must come to you as a surprise.
The mail you sent from Lysithea, it has arrived.
Though there is much I want to say to you, I want to save it for our meeting. Besides, truth be told it’s been so long since I wrote you a message, I’m not sure what to say myself.
I’m 24-years old now, and Nagamine is 19.
What should I say to the 19-years old Nagamine, I do not know. Just like the Nagamine who has been imagining about the 24-years old me for so long while waiting inside Lysithea, the 24-years old me is also spending my days imagining about the 19-years old Nagamine, even if for a shorter amount of time.
From my perspective, for almost 9 years I’ve been thinking of Nagamine as a 15-years old; now she suddenly returns as an adult, it’s only natural to get a little confused.
But, I’m content with this.
Just the fact that we can meet again, it is a miracle to me already.
How should I talk to the 19-years old Nagamine, well I’ll think about that when I meet her.
Anyway the day of our reunion is close.
It’s so close, I’m sure it’ll surprise you.

—I have a secret plan…… Terao Noboru


Noboru-kun.
It’s the 19-years old Mikako.
Soon the boring days will come to an end.
Yesterday, the mail from Noboru-kun arrived.
I’m still inside the Lysithea, how come I can receive Noboru-kun’s message already, it seemed like a mystery to me.
But, I was very happy regardless.
Because I thought the 24-years old Noboru will not treat a message sent from a 15-years old girl to a classmate of her past so seriously.
To me it all happened in an instant; for 9 years, since the days when we were 15, thank you for patiently staying true to me.
Though I may not be able to catch up to the 24-years old Noboru-kun, for 4 years, I’ve grown up within the Lysithea.
I’m 19-years old now.
Actually, I thought about replying immediately yesterday, but I’m confused too myself; in the end I couldn’t write a reply right away.
Noboru-kun’s mail was full of mystery.
At the very least, if you have written me about what you are doing these days, it’ll be easier to imagine what the 24-years old Noboru is like……
On top of that, I don’t understand what is this secret plan of yours.
Tomorrow, we should rendezvous with the rescue ship.
I too, will be busy working in preparation for that.
One question. Which Mikako would Noboru-kun want to meet, the 15-years old or the 19-years old?
As for myself, I want to meet and see the 24-years old Noboru-kun.
Rendezvous time with the rescue ship is still undecided.
Stay in touch.

—From the confused 19-years old Mikako


April, 2056
Sirius Alpha

The dramatic reunion Noboru has planned did not happen. Instead, as soon as the rescue ship docked with Lysithea, he was overwhelmed with all kinds of tasks. After all, nobody feels any qualms about making the new guy work whenever and wherever they can. In the end, hours after they’ve taken onboard everyone from Lysithea, Noboru finds himself sitting on a bench next to a vending machine, drinking canned coffee. Nagamine is nowhere in sight, and the spiffy white uniform he puts on for her sake looks a little abused. Just as he loosens it up some more as he rests, the cell phone rings.

Noboru-kun.
I am here.

—From “What secret plan?” Mikako

Surprised, Noboru looks around. “I’m here, Noboru-kun.” It’s a familiar voice he knows well. From one end of the corridor, a woman dressed in a nurse’s uniform is looking at him. Waving her cell phone, she walks up to him slowly.

“At last, we meet again, Noboru-kun.” Nagamine Mikako smiles.

“Ah……” Embarrassed, Noboru can’t look at her directly. “You’ve grown taller.”

“5 cm in fact. However, my weight and three-size remains the same.”

The more Nagamine changes, the more she stays the same. When he realizes that, Noboru is relieved.


May, 2056
On the flight of steps

Like all the rest of the draftees, Nagamine has been discharged from the space fleet. Though Commander Rokomov has made clear she’ll always have a spot as a Tracer operator if she re-enlist, she’d rather be a nurse should she rejoins. In the mean time, a second Tarsian expedition has been postponed as knowledge gained from the first one is being analyzed. Among other things, Nagamine and other Tracer operators all reported receiving the same mental communication from the Tarsians just before the battle. Just exactly what they meant or tried to accomplish, nobody knows as yet.

On this day, Noboru has managed to get some leave and is meeting Nagamine for a date. As he walks up the familiar flight of concrete steps, he is overwhelmed by memories of the past 9 years. Arriving at the little rundown shack at the bus stop, he finds Nagamine already waiting for him.

“Where should we go?”

“To the convenience store. I want some ice-cream.”

“Reliving our junior high days?”

“Just for today. I’ll be starting high school tomorrow……” Nagamine stands up and straightens her dress. “I want more time, so I can catch up to the 24-years old Noboru-kun.” Nagamine exits the little shack and starts walking.

The one who wants more time is me, Noboru thinks as he chases after the 19-years old Nagamine.
 
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