Anno 2205 - Hit strategy series goes into space!
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Not that i can see. Tbh the objectives arent intrusive or anything so very much like free play except the maps are very limited with no random map generator or even the option to create them.
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It is Ubisoft, and by that I mean any and all changes to games are designed to attract bigger audience and/or sell more dlc. Not normally a massive issue and tbh it is the trend for all game makers but for this game it is an issue.
At first, the simplicity of not needing to worry about resources being moved around the map and them being available instantly within the map seemed like a good idea, but it destroys one of the fundamental aspects of the city builder/management types of games - efficiency.
You play something like Cities: Skylines and you have to carefully place things for the best efficiency, and its hard to keep everyone happy because of that. Balance it just right, with sufficient services, free moving traffic, jobs for people and houses to go home to etc and you create a beautifully running system.
With this 'everything is instant' solution, theres no value to anything. Its somewhat better in the Arctic region (the heat thing), but marginally. The only important factor is that the building has a road. After that, 95% of buildings can go absolutely anywhere. Theres no benefit to having a production line - a mine which gets the raw resources, moves it to the factory that makes a refined resource, who then pass it to the machinist who makes a part, who passes it to the builder who makes the fancy end product etc. Get the production line perfectly balanced, and its magic. With 2205 you just plonk everything where theres a gap, it can be miles away and it doesnt matter. The people only care about being too far from the community hub and stuff like that, all these workers teleport to work i guess.
It looks dumb, and a solution to simplify both the experience and the demands of the engine, because theres very little movement happening in the game, its primarily cash, power, population and transport/(truck thing), with a map-wide warehouse storing everything, and then a handful of resources being transported between the maps. No localised warehouses, no trucks delivering items, its all dead inside.
It seems offensive to even consider it simulation, because theres so little being simulated. The level of simulation on display is adequate for a mobile platform, at best. Its insulting, is what it is.
You play something like Cities: Skylines and you have to carefully place things for the best efficiency, and its hard to keep everyone happy because of that. Balance it just right, with sufficient services, free moving traffic, jobs for people and houses to go home to etc and you create a beautifully running system.
With this 'everything is instant' solution, theres no value to anything. Its somewhat better in the Arctic region (the heat thing), but marginally. The only important factor is that the building has a road. After that, 95% of buildings can go absolutely anywhere. Theres no benefit to having a production line - a mine which gets the raw resources, moves it to the factory that makes a refined resource, who then pass it to the machinist who makes a part, who passes it to the builder who makes the fancy end product etc. Get the production line perfectly balanced, and its magic. With 2205 you just plonk everything where theres a gap, it can be miles away and it doesnt matter. The people only care about being too far from the community hub and stuff like that, all these workers teleport to work i guess.
It looks dumb, and a solution to simplify both the experience and the demands of the engine, because theres very little movement happening in the game, its primarily cash, power, population and transport/(truck thing), with a map-wide warehouse storing everything, and then a handful of resources being transported between the maps. No localised warehouses, no trucks delivering items, its all dead inside.
It seems offensive to even consider it simulation, because theres so little being simulated. The level of simulation on display is adequate for a mobile platform, at best. Its insulting, is what it is.
I agree ^ and my conclusion after several hours play is I want to go back and start another game of 1404 or 2070, which I probably will.
Hopefully this game wont kill the series and the next release is a return to it's routes with maybe a remake of 1503.
Hopefully this game wont kill the series and the next release is a return to it's routes with maybe a remake of 1503.
Having played the previous two incarnations of Anno it's actually a mild relief of less is more. Isn't going to be everyone's cuppa tea but I like it. I liked 1404 & 2070 and will play them again but 2205 does have something that draws me back.
The only real complexity is managing your economy when you get to the moon,as everything up their has massive build and maintenance costs.Theirs not much to do after you build the Corporation HQ.
16hr played on the hardest setting and i have a 350k population,will get to 1 million to get the achievement then im probily done with the game sadly,lack of scenarios is major blow as those were my fav parts of Anno games
I have enjoyed my time with the it,but theirs just nothing else to do once you beat the Lunar Program :/
16hr played on the hardest setting and i have a 350k population,will get to 1 million to get the achievement then im probily done with the game sadly,lack of scenarios is major blow as those were my fav parts of Anno games
I have enjoyed my time with the it,but theirs just nothing else to do once you beat the Lunar Program :/
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I've never played an anno before but so far I'm really enjoying it, I think the combat is a bit crap and could do with but I think it's a good game. However I can't imagine there would be much re-playability with no skirmish mode.
Yeah, i dont see where the replayability will come from, the only thing i can think of is choosing different locations as they'll each have their own goals, but its not like its a mission or something, its usually 'maintain X of Y for Z minutes' and 'collect X and deliver it to Y'. Its going to be the same hurdles you're jumping through each time.
I think perhaps the fact that the game plays as a single mission doesnt help, previously it was divided up into say 20 parts, part 1 being to build homes for 100 people and get a food supply, part 5 you need to build a harbor and search the seas for something. Its the same game, it just almost feels a little too open, even if the old mission way didnt stop you building huge cities or w/e, it just nudged you along.
Its too simple to attempt to spend time trying to master certain things (efficiency being an example), and 9 locations, 3 versions of x 3 settings, with little reason to try the others once you've done one of them.
Compare it to something like Sim City 4 or Cities: Skylines where you keep going back because you always look to improve on the last version, or games like Theme Park or Rollercoaster Tycoon and you go back because frankly its fun.
Even the modern SimCity had more reason to return, with different maps and projects.
I think perhaps the fact that the game plays as a single mission doesnt help, previously it was divided up into say 20 parts, part 1 being to build homes for 100 people and get a food supply, part 5 you need to build a harbor and search the seas for something. Its the same game, it just almost feels a little too open, even if the old mission way didnt stop you building huge cities or w/e, it just nudged you along.
Its too simple to attempt to spend time trying to master certain things (efficiency being an example), and 9 locations, 3 versions of x 3 settings, with little reason to try the others once you've done one of them.
Compare it to something like Sim City 4 or Cities: Skylines where you keep going back because you always look to improve on the last version, or games like Theme Park or Rollercoaster Tycoon and you go back because frankly its fun.
Even the modern SimCity had more reason to return, with different maps and projects.
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Might have to keep my eye on that then. Im enjoying it so far (just unlocked lunar but not been there yet).
Ok I've played it now, not for long, and I'm bored. It completely utterly lacks any of the charm of the Anno series (pre 2075). It's easy, holds your hand, and resource management is a backseat joke. I would be thoroughly ****ed off if I'd spent full price on this.
Bluebyte, what have you done.
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Started playing this over the weekend, not bad. I was reading the reviews on steam and a lot of people seem to be disappointed with it. I am not sure the history of it but it seems to be ok.
I got it for about £17-18 from cdkeys, why would you even consider paying full price for a PC game ?
It's a good game, there's enough to do to keep you entertained until a skirmish mode is released (not confirmed) I really enjoy it plus it looks amazing.
Wait until the GOTY edition, or all the DLC has been released then decide. The game isn't bad, there's just more to do in the older games currently. And that's excluding an expansion. As such see what the DLCs bring to the table and then revisit.
