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Simon

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Picture the scene, Im driving along a NSL road and a van is doing 40mph, I overtake the van in the distance there is a coach so i decide to tuck in behind the Honda Jazz infront of the Van.

However the jazz driver decides to brake for me thinking I am going to go past him too, I now have no where to go and already commited to braking so can't simple jump back out as I would head on the coach.

S2000 brakes are good but not that good, I end up bumping his rear bumper and stoving in my passenger headlamp into the wing.

Why can't slow drivers just keep driving slow and not go even slower trying to help :(
 
Yet if he speeded up you'd probabily moan

Also the highway code;

144: Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass.

Sorry mate but dont see how its his fault
 
Simon said:
However the jazz driver decides to brake for me thinking I am going to go past him too,

Why can't slow drivers just keep driving slow and not go even slower trying to help :(
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Sorry Simon, but it seems like that other driver was actually a decent sort who was trying to make it easier for you to safely overtake. How was he supposed to know what you were planning to do?
 
Unlucky Gilles!

If you need the car drivable for now I recon with a bit of gentle persuasion the headlamp can be pushed relatively straight, I stoved my Sierra so badly the lamp was pointing at the floor but 10 minutes with a bottle jack and a bar had it facing the right way.... ish :D
 
I would've waited for a clearer stretch but I only ever overtake when I can see infront for miles, defensive but safe:o

Unlucky though mate:(
 
I disagree with it being dangerous. At the time and taking into account the relative speed of both vehicles in front, I'd have gone for such an overtake. The problem occurred when the Jazz braked and the distance and relative speed between it and the S2000 leave Simon with no where to go other than in the rear of the jazz.

This isnt to say the Jazz driver is totally to blame, it takes two to tango. I'd certainly share some of the blame on him though.
 
Whilst I feel for Simon its totally not the Jazz's fault. Not from the highway code view from above but rather he was too close to the car in-front.

If he was tucking in behind the Jazz and hit it when it braked, then he was simply too close. 100% Simons fault sadly.
 
Oblivious said:
If he was tucking in behind the Jazz and hit it when it braked, then he was simply too close. 100% Simons fault sadly.
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Sounds that way.

It often makes me smile when I see these "overtaker hater" threads. People tend to only leave enough braking distance (not enough in many cases) to the car infront. You then get someone flying into this gap hard on the brakes basically dropping their and the person they have overtakens braking distance down to nothing... then they wonder why they get flashed. errr... duh.

Whilst there may have been no obvious reason for it under normal circumstances you don't drive right up the behind of the car infront simply because "theres no reason for them to brake" because this is what can happen.

Anyway hope it isn't too expensive to fix the two cars :)
 
ste_bla said:
Yet if he speeded up you'd probabily moan

Also the highway code;

144: Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass.

Sorry mate but dont see how its his fault
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If the driver in the Jazz had sped up then he'd have every right to moan as that would be plain dangerous. The word that you are ignoring in the highway code is necessary. It was not necessary for the driver of the Jazz to slow down but (s)he did though either kindness or misjudgement.
 
I just don't know why people think they are helping by changing the situation.


Plus it was downhill so Vtec got some torque y0
 
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ste_bla said:
Also the highway code;

144: Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass.

Sorry mate but dont see how its his fault
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He didnt maintain a steady speed, nor was I trying to overtake him.

You don't expect a car to brake when there is nothing in front of him and no reason for him to
 
TBH it sounds like you're the one at fault. You overtook a van knowing that a coach was coming in the opposite direction, and had to "nip in" behind the Jazz to avoid a head on with the coach.

The jazz driver may have ultimately made the wrong decision to apply the brakes, but for all he knew you were going to try and make it past him, and he's just trying to save your life and the peoples lives on the coach by slowing down so you don't have a head on with the coach.

Why didn't you just wait for a clearer stretch of road?

I drive a very fast car, and like to overtake slower vehicles but there's no way in hell I'd attempt such a manoevre with a coach coming in the opposite direction.
 
Obviously the Jazz isn't completely at fault, no one is if someone is overtaking and decides to tuck in right up behind them, it depends how close he was though, if Simon could brake hard enough to try and avoid a shunt, then there couldn't of been anything that close behind him.

So it shows very poor observation from the Jazz, technically the Jazz took the action that resulted in the shunt, but Simon is obviously also at fault for overtaking at an inappropriate time.
 
Simon said:
nor was I trying to overtake him.
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But how was the driver supposed to know that? He probably saw you overtake the van in his wing mirror and decided to make it easier for you to get passed by slowing down. He wasn't to know that you would get in behind him instead, so I really can't see how any blame rests on him at all.

Simon said:
You don't expect a car to brake when there is nothing in front of him and no reason for him to
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But you should still maintain a safe distance just in case.

I'm not having a pop at you Simon by the way, and I hope the damage is easily fixable, but i'm just seeing it from a different perspective. :)
 
daveyj27 said:
But how was the driver supposed to know that? He probably saw you overtake the van in his wing mirror and decided to make it easier for you to get passed by slowing down. He wasn't to know that you would get in behind him instead, so I really can't see how any blame rests on him at all.
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Sums it up really.
 
HI there

Gutted for you m8, but we all learn from our mistakes. Generally I just don't bother with overtakes at all unless the road is perfectly clear and thats irrelevant if I've got 100BHP or 1000BHP. :)

Just hope its easily fixable and won't cost too much to sort. If its just cosmetic and you can get the light functioning then you can still drive it.
 
It wasn't really an impatient overtakes, just one of those ones where you are keeping the momentum up. :( Wasn't helped with sunglasses on whilst going under dense trees.

Hopefully I can sort it pretty quick as the weather was great this afternoon.
 
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