Another coilover thread!

[TW]Fox;14731121 said:
You miss my point. People were a little concerned to be associated with you lest something happened and they got lumped in with it, not because of teh intarnetz.
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Thats fair enough, but fortunately nothing did happen, so why go on about it?

By spending money on driver improvement stuff you can learn when its appropriate to use your cars performance and how its appropriate to use the performance. You'll enjoy it loads more than slamming ebay tat on your Rover.
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You've still got this fixation I simply nail it everywhere, I actually don't. Infact, I'd lose my job if I lost my license, so I simply cannot afford to :) - I know improving my driving ability will let me enjoy my car loads more - hence why I've done the track days, and want to carry on doing them. They are great! Great for finding out what you can and can't control also a good hoot as well. And I fail to see how £600 worth of coilovers is ebay 'tat'

And people will be far more impressed with your mad leet skillz if they are employed in the correct circumstances in a controlled fashion.
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I'm not here to impress people, never have been :) - I like cars, you all like cars, waheey lets talk.

Your car is fast enough. Now is the time to spend a bit of focus on the guy behind the wheel as your next performance improving stage :)
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As said above, working on that. But unfortunately I can't just buy something off eBay to do it :p
 
InvaderGIR said:
You know the majority's view on you, yet you ask anyway. :/
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How asking about coilovers and this forums general view on me has any relation I do not know.

This originally started out as a half hearted thread about raising and lowering the car to get on the flipping driveway :p then the high horse brigade entered, then I got some actual useful advice, then some funny banter....usual OcUk thread then :p
 
600 quid will be eBay tat. You need to be looking at kwv3's, bilstein pss9's, nitrons or ohlins. Less than that with regard to coilovers will be tat.

Get decent updated springs that match you stock dampers a la eibach and get the cars geometry done. Then invest in proper coilovers when your driving is better.

Your talents isn't enough to be spending out on coilovers and the eibach springs will give you more than enough feel and confidence.

I'm not being a hypocrit saying this as I've just bought tein s tech springs to go with my stock dampers.
 
You'd probably be better off in the long run by saving for an RX8 Phate, nothing touches them when it comes to handling.
 
Phate said:
How asking about coilovers and this forums general view on me has any relation I do not know.

This originally started out as a half hearted thread about raising and lowering the car to get on the flipping driveway :p then the high horse brigade entered, then I got some actual useful advice, then some funny banter....usual OcUk thread then :p
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People here will jump on you if you ask about modifying your car...which I agree on, the car doesn't need it, it's fine as it is...well personally I'd have got rid as soon as it was bent, but yeah.

Most of the actual advice given is "don't bother" yet you're ignoring it and going to do it anyway...and by the looks of things, on the cheap...awesome.
 
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Conanius said:
bilstein pss9's
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Wow they're not cheap, £1600 for a set for the mk2 MX-5 :eek:

I'll stick with my bespoke monotube coilovers I think, hehe


And with respect to this thread, I agree. I don't think there's a lot of point uprating something when a) don't know the benefits beyond "it's lower" and b) don't know how to exploit it fully. I don't mean this in a rude way, improving your skills is a lot more rewarding. I know since owning the MX-5 I've learnt lots in the way of technique and little things just by driving it on the road, and not in a dangerous way either. :)
 
Firstly, MG ZS can be a great track car if done right. It's basically a Civic, and they were hugely competitive in the right hands.

Secondly, the whole point of coil-overs is corner weighting. Get yourself a set of scales and get the side-to-side weight distribution even (with driver and fuel onboard) with a ~5mm rake. This is achieved by fine tuning the ride height at each corner to shift where the weight sits. Raising the height on the rear left puts more weight on the front right, etc.

Do this right and it will transform the handling.

But, you've still got interior. And road tyres? If you're not serious about track days then get a nice set of matched springs and dampers.

If you plump for coil-overs, you don't need to spend a fortune. You're better off with a 'low-end' kit and some track days to develop the car. I had a £600 set of D2 dampers on my old car. Spent a year developing the chassis through a series of different spring rates and roll bars, geometry settings and weight distribution. The end result was my £600 'cheap' dampers worked with the rest of the chassis and allowed me to put in competitive lap times.

It's not what you drive - it's how you drive.
 
Lols at thread.

Is a decent set of shocks and springs not a better idea, cheaper and I doubt you would notice much of a difference.
 
Conanius said:
600 quid will be eBay tat. You need to be looking at kwv3's, bilstein pss9's, nitrons or ohlins. Less than that with regard to coilovers will be tat.

Get decent updated springs that match you stock dampers a la eibach and get the cars geometry done. Then invest in proper coilovers when your driving is better.

Your talents isn't enough to be spending out on coilovers and the eibach springs will give you more than enough feel and confidence.

I'm not being a hypocrit saying this as I've just bought tein s tech springs to go with my stock dampers.
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GEO.
 
Tarts ! :-p

being serious phate don't waste money on cheap coilovers. If it was an 800 quid track only car it wouldn't matter so much as you could get a damping rate that works for the track.

Corner weighting is important but IMO doing it by adjusting the perch of your coilovers isn't the best. Doing it by weight loss is significantly better (read up on how Honda did this with the dc2 itr)

hopefully my posts have helped, but regardless I think you need to realise that your 600 quid would be better spent on tuition. I've done it nearly every time I go to the track or at least posted videos and asked for comment of those I know to be better than me for feedback.

I remembered last night about a chap on the s2ki forums who is a racing instructor. He takes great pleasure beating people round the track in his stock s2000 when they have spend thousands on coilovers and I/h/t/e mods. I'm sure your rover has more than enough capability if you use it right.
 
Conanius said:
Corner weighting is important but IMO doing it by adjusting the perch of your coilovers isn't the best. Doing it by weight loss is significantly better (read up on how Honda did this with the dc2 itr)
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Definitely, although difficult (and expensive) if you've already removed everything possible. If you're racing and have to hit a minimum weight then that's where ballast comes in of course.

Conanius said:
hopefully my posts have helped, but regardless I think you need to realise that your 600 quid would be better spent on tuition. I've done it nearly every time I go to the track or at least posted videos and asked for comment of those I know to be better than me for feedback.

I remembered last night about a chap on the s2ki forums who is a racing instructor. He takes great pleasure beating people round the track in his stock s2000 when they have spend thousands on coilovers and I/h/t/e mods. I'm sure your rover has more than enough capability if you use it right.
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Absolutely. Seen it so many times. Remember the shot of my Volvo on an airfield a few days ago? I had the highest apex speed on that day, and everyone else was driving souped up Hondas... :)
 
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