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Meh, 13 pages and I'm not sure I saw a proper description of what transpired. So thought, why not. Was only 30s that needed to be transcribed anyway.
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Meh, 13 pages and I'm not sure I saw a proper description of what transpired. So thought, why not. Was only 30s that needed to be transcribed anyway.
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I agree. Judging by standards of bouncers in my local all statesmen, politicians, civil servants and anyone in public service should; have tattoos of dotted lines saying cut here, a fondness for violent altercation, decide who gets to sell illicit drugs for a cut, be a mongo.
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Sounds like the basis of a constitution
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Yes, let's call our new Utopia Thugopolis
You really like avoiding the point at hand. Its quite a common ploy by people who have no real argument.
Do you really believe that what he did deserved him being suspended from his job, when he was ejecting a protester from a private event, with lots of high profile attendees, after they have already been ejected once before? No one was hurt, order was restored as a result of his actions, and the protester is taking no action against the supposed attack?
Her sex is a non-issue if you believe in equality, you agreed yourself earlier there would be no outcry if this was a male protester. Ergo, there should be none in this case.
Break the rules, suffer the consequences. People have been "legally" shot for similar actions in the US. She should count herself lucky she didnt get bundled to the ground and injured in the resulting melee.
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One thing I learned from doing jury service is that everyone has a different idea about what violence is. I'm on the MP's side here, but I was in a minority of one when I wanted to convict a young man for what I saw -- on video -- as definite GBH. The rest of the panel thought it was just the kind of thing young men got up to on a Friday night... I've never felt quite so much like a stranger in my own community. And I say that as someone who'd had to help deal with violent drunks and shoplifters on several occasions. The worst, by far, was a woman who was having a really good go at separating another woman from her eyes. I felt I couldn't let that happen, but when I got involved I found myself having to be a lot firmer than I expected in order to keep my own eyes.
I know that's not directly comparable, but I think what I'm saying is that there's no pretty way of stopping someone in their tracks if you believe they are a potential threat and you don't want to be the person who sat back and watched a disaster happen. If you're going to detain anyone you do it quickly and effectively, and that's what I see in the video. We all know it was a harmless situation and he probably overreacted now, but at the time he didn't and neither did anyone else there.
I do feel, however, that Field's nickname from now on should be 'Spock', given his ability to render someone harmless with a pinch of the neck.
I know that's not directly comparable, but I think what I'm saying is that there's no pretty way of stopping someone in their tracks if you believe they are a potential threat and you don't want to be the person who sat back and watched a disaster happen. If you're going to detain anyone you do it quickly and effectively, and that's what I see in the video. We all know it was a harmless situation and he probably overreacted now, but at the time he didn't and neither did anyone else there.
I do feel, however, that Field's nickname from now on should be 'Spock', given his ability to render someone harmless with a pinch of the neck.
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So you think we should follow the American model and shoot on sight, OK, and you think I haven't got an argument but you are arguing with me.
Please see sig or grow up.
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Sex is a total issue if you believe in equality.
Again, the same, nicely avoided... I am quite glad that we do not have the US way of doing things! The point I was making, which you keep avoiding, is that the way it was dealt with was totally sensible, firm, resulted in no injuries, and the event carried on as per normal.
As for the thinly veiled insult, I suggest you go read the forum rules.
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Why is being a kid an insult, I just don't want to argue with any, because I find it frustrating.
Are you a kid or an adult.?
Ok, I am not sure I follow? Are you saying (cause it seems like it to me?!) that we should treat women differently to men in the same circumstances to ensure equality? That's a very odd understanding of equality if that is your position.
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Wow - "projecting to the world" - if you think the actions of 1 man shows the world how around 30 million men treat women then your version of reality must be a really fun place
Which is what I said, thanks for confirming he is currently innocent until proven guilty in a court of law (which was my point) and therefore the court of "social media" from your "many people think what he did is unacceptable." means absolutely nothing. While you and many others may not like what he did, until he is prosecuted and form guilty then the current law of the land says he's innocent and, as he's not even been charged, questioned or otherwise then I'm not sure the likelihood of him being convicted is high either.
You cant have it both ways... You refer to your sig, as an attempt to belittle my opinion, inferring I am a kid. Then you attempt to turn this back on me when I call you out, saying I should not find this as an insult.
Top drawer trolling attempt. Once again, totally avoiding the issue, and points I am trying to discuss with you.
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Has anyone got a link to the longer video, that supposedly also shows another protestor on the other side of the room also being removed but supposedly more "appropriately"? Can only find the short one right now.
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OK fair enough
How did that happen!! I'm so sorry
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YeahWow - "projecting to the world" - if you think the actions of 1 man shows the world how around 30 million men treat women then your version of reality must be a really fun place
Which is what I said, thanks for confirming he is currently innocent until proven guilty in a court of law (which was my point) and therefore the court of "social media" from your "many people think what he did is unacceptable." means absolutely nothing. While you and many others may not like what he did, until he is prosecuted and form guilty then the current law of the land says he's innocent and, as he's not even been charged, questioned or otherwise then I'm not sure the likelihood of him being convicted is high either.
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Really?
As daft as it sounds, if you want equality then sex shouldn't even be considered. Sex is what divides people, if you remove it, division comes down to other factors. It's an issue for you because you're making it so.
For others, equality is seeing them as they are, human protestors and if they are all treated like protestors then they are equals. Treating her differently because she's a woman is not equality.
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Equality is giving women or ethnic minorities, varied physical abilities etc positions of employment, voices in society etc out with merit alone to better reflect all aspects of society, equal. It's not just as simple as treat everyone the same. Positive discrimination exists in the name and active pursuit of equality and to think as you seem to do is naive.
Man handling a woman as you would a man is far from equal, it's asserting power unequally.