I thought the argument was that we should be takin in more families, so what is the issue? If their families are currently in refugee camps not able to feed themselves is it really such a bad thing to do?
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I thought the argument was that we should be takin in more families, so what is the issue? If their families are currently in refugee camps not able to feed themselves is it really such a bad thing to do?
That is rather odd. If he fails the asylum case then why not deport him, rather than let him stay? There seems to be a major crack in Germany's asylum policy.
I guess the conspiracy goes back years and all Muslims/former Muslims are given fake psychiatric reports and "meeting" they never had, just in case they do something in the future?
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What's the German equivalent of a P45 and why has Merkel been handed hers yet?
There's not really a set pattern here.
Being isis minded just means that you can do wtf you like and get virgins it appears.
You didn't answer my question? Why?
Yeah, I guess those damn Jews, Polish and French should have done the same during the Second World War, rather than run away to neighbouring countries. Cowards...
Not everyone wants to fight, and I'm guessing in places like Syria a significant number wouldn't know which side they want to fight on in the first place.
Haven't you just got a corridor for the migrants to pass through and don't let any stay?
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If you think the number of so called refugees in Europe needs to be increased by probably fivefold, no, it's a marvellous idea. Set up a party and see how the public view it....
Did the French and Polish up and desert their country in the numbers we are talking about whilst leaving their families behind? Some men did so they could fight for their countries whilst based from the UK. Jews to my recollection were spread across countries and not a particular country. Maybe I am wrong there too but I don't remember a specific Jewish country in Europe?
Because it isn't a simple yes/no question. The reply written was in response to that fact.
But I assume what you want me to say/think is that because he was Muslim at one point the fact he was violent was because he grew up with Islam, and as such the violence should still be attributed to Islam?
Rather than the possibility that he grew up violent/nasty for no reason related to Islam. His violence and extreme views made him gravitate towards an extreme teaching of Islam, which he then denounced but continued on the same violent streak he had since childhood.
Now for this fictitious man, can you provide evidence one is wrong and one is right? Or is the observers preconceived notion clouding their judgement?
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I have asked many times on here and other forums for a link to figures showing how many failed asylum seekers in Germany have been physically evicted. The lack of evidence suggests very very few, and they will reap the consequences, as we are seeing.
Very true, and given the climate those with ISIS sympathies (whether directed by ISIS or not), might well have taken advantage of Merkel's foolishness. It was remarkably stupid of Merkel to 'open the doors' in the way she did. Taking individuals into a country is one thing, but to take vast numbers without security vetting is as irresponsible as it comes. German guilt regarding WW2 and it's aftermath still influences policy.
There has been another attack in Ansbach now. A suicide bomber. He failed, killing only himself and injuring 12 others.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ured-after-restaurant-blast-in-german-city-o/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ured-after-restaurant-blast-in-german-city-o/
Hundreds of thousands of each did yes. Alongside the millions that have left Syria, with their wives and families.
Why didn't the German Jews stay in Germany and fight the rise of Hitler and the subsequent internment of them in concentration camps. There were plenty of them... Obviously that notion should be scorned, yet that's essentially the argument you just put across for Male Syrian refugees.
As I said in a previous thread after linking to an article pointing out the six richest countries are way behind in the helping of refugees that a significant number of poorer countries - perhaps we should be helping the refugees at the source (refugee camps) more, and then not only the fittest (who can travel a few thousand miles, much of it on foot) will get the help from us. Perhaps it would help stem the tide if families weren't so desperate for money to feed and cloth themselves that people had to travel in the first place.
The default premise seems to be so many people coming here are economic migrants. Is there any actual evidence of that? If so is there evidence that these so called economic migrants are just spending their money frivolously or are they actually sending money back to their families in refugee camps in turkey, Jordan and the myriad of other countries hosting more refugees than us.
The next question is why are we still arguing about helping refugees when the vast, vast majority of them are just trying to survive.
If it's anything like the uk system it probably involves the system being a shambles and it costing too much money to deport them.
I do wonder how it will backfire on her later. I just hope that's the last of it, but i suspect wwe may hear of a few copycat attacks soon after. I kind of feel sorry for the migrants in Germany (the decent ones), where any attack attributed to ISIS shines further light on them. They're already in a country where no-one wants them there. How do you build a future for yourself and for your family.
But i agree, Merkel was stupid and naive to let in large volumes of refugees without proper vetting them. I'm quite glad Britain so far has been very hesitant about taking volumes of refugees, and those that we have had to take, we've been very selective of.
Wow some rant there
Got any evidence for that claim?
Until you can prove they aren't from a war torn country then that is a fallacious comment
In refugee camps. It seems they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It must be a difficult decision between dragging your wife and child walking half way across Europe or leaving them behind in a failing refugee camp.
Whatever
Take the atrocities we are seeing. How many of 'they' are committing these acts, a few hundred? A few thousand? Lets say we get 500 atrocities of this nature (which is 500 too many of course) of the 1,000,000 refugees (with some economic migrants) that's 0.05%
Then say we get 5,000 assaults and crimes - that's 0.5% but it seems ok to a lot of people on here to demonise the whole of the refugee population and want to 'send them back' based on the heinous actions of a tiny %
Again, just a demonising generalisation of a swathe of people, got anything to back up your statement that it's not in their nature to work hard?
Got any evidence for that claim?
Until you can prove they aren't from a war torn country then that is a fallacious comment
In refugee camps. It seems they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It must be a difficult decision between dragging your wife and child walking half way across Europe or leaving them behind in a failing refugee camp.
Whatever
Take the atrocities we are seeing. How many of 'they' are committing these acts, a few hundred? A few thousand? Lets say we get 500 atrocities of this nature (which is 500 too many of course) of the 1,000,000 refugees (with some economic migrants) that's 0.05%
Then say we get 5,000 assaults and crimes - that's 0.5% but it seems ok to a lot of people on here to demonise the whole of the refugee population and want to 'send them back' based on the heinous actions of a tiny %
Again, just a demonising generalisation of a swathe of people, got anything to back up your statement that it's not in their nature to work hard?