Another Germany Attack

[dowie]

Can we rename this thread to the daily German terrorism thread?

this thread isn't about a terror incident though but rather a workplace murder

 

[Xordium]

You didn't say 'Middle East', you said 'that region' which in the context of the question you were asking implied 'that' meant the region they were a dictator in.

Yes, of course whatever you say ...

 

[Arazi]

surely by the very fact they travelled though several countries illegally they're all criminals

That is what i thought, why is there a double standard, i would say if 50 white people from any country, let's say Iceland, turned up at Germany's border they wouldn't be allowed to walk through like the rest of them did.

Never mind having walked through 3\4 countries beforehand also.

It is ridiculous what they have allowed to happen, i said the same a year ago and numerous times since. We will see 5 attacks per week within 6 months around Europe.

Before you let someone into your house you tend to vet them, don't you?

Instead of throwing open the door and saying "everybody is welcome".

Whilst yes, we should deal with them on a case-by-case basis now, it's already far too late. They are all inside, the good and the bad, and the power to remove the bad ones in non-existent anyhow.

This whole situation is a monumental **** up. We're all going to have to get used to this kind of attack being a weekly occurrence for a while.

Besides, this isn't "every asylum seeker". This is about asylum seekers from countries where a sizeable number of people think the West is their enemy. Or at the very least, think of us as "infidels", and of less worth than their own people. Because it's what they're taught.

And the segregated communities with "honour killings" for adopting western ideas, or having western friends, do drive that point home. At what point do you just throw your hands in the air and say "western culture is incompatible with certain middle eastern cultures"? When do you admit that?

Well put and you are spot on, this is not just about people coming over here etc, it is all the **** and their way of life they bring with them.

They won't integrate, they never have in the past, their whole way of life is incompatible with western values and western way of living.

It is being forced on Europe and it needs to stop.

 

[Arazi]

Thankfully it wasn't a terrorist attack. Just some lone nutter obsessed with a woman:



(Source).

Keep trying, how do you get around the fact he was a refugee from Syria.

 

[Arazi]

And not the only culture to do weird things:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36843769

Damn, we better watch this doesn't start happening all over Europe, you know when a million of them are allowed to trek over

You people will search high and low for any excuse to play down and deflect these atrocities, i also see a trend, this seems to be the same kind of view that all followers of Religion of Peas follow.

It is always Play down, deflect, use any excuse but Islam (whichever flavour), blame the west, not proper Muslims.

And all of you never seem to condemn or pay respect to the victims, i don't see much respect for victims on here or out there, unless they are Muslim victims.

 

[kmetek]

Haven't you just got a corridor for the migrants to pass through and don't let any stay?

yeah few months ago, luckily

 

[Safetytrousers]

The crusades were a blip on history when comparing Islamic conquests.

The British conquested out the biggest Empire in history around the 19th century.
But this is in the past.

 

[Arazi]

Unfortunately some elements of Islam have never got past medieval culture. That's the problem.

And that is the problem we have now, thank you for being honest.

But is the muslim dental assistant of my (excellent) dentist a hardline extremist? Is the Turkish wife of my friend Dave who observes Ramadan and some other Islamic festivals, and who wears western clothing, no head covering and has a job a hardline extremist?

No, not at all.

The medieval culture you describe above lies in towns and other areas in certain countries in the middle east, that culture will not change nor mix with western cultures, i know it, you know it, the deniers know it.

We have now let a lot of them into Europe, and a minority of them want to do western cultures serious harm as we are witnessing.

I am not trying to be unreasonable in my posts, but some people on here completely refuse to see this, but you obviously see it.

 

[Arazi]

So, we wake up to yet another attack in Germany. Will come back later to see if there are any more attacks.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Arazi]

I can tell you what I would hope.

I would hope those 1 million + young men would stop talking about how they are running from tyranny towards enlightenment and democracy and actually go and fight for what they want over there. Like Europeans had to do to get what they now have - that was earned.

But let's face it this isn't refugees they are largely economic immigrants - they left their chance to make something of their own country behind, they left their wives and mothers behind, the left their siblings and children behind. They are cowards. They then commit atrocities and assaults like cowards.

Whether it is Islam shaping their society, Islam, their culture without Islam who the hell knows where it weighs there but the fact remains they are incompatible and need to go. Let's face it Merkel wanted them to work but this lot are work shy it's not in their nature to work hard. Hell they can't even stand up for their own families. They don't want work they want free money.

I posted similar in one of the closed migrant threads and got ****ged off left, right and centre, i am catching up on the thread so will see if you got the same.

But i posted it at the time of great conflict one here because we had lot's more apologists on here and out there with their welcome all refugees banners.

There isn't many of them left, not on here, or out there, i wonder why.

 

[Arazi]

Theoretical question for you here.

A man kills 2 people. The man is 30 years old. For the first 25 years of his life he is a Muslim fanatic. He then renounces Islam but retains his violent nature for the next 5 years. Would you then describe him after that attack as Muslim or non-Muslim?

(change that for Jew, immigrant, furry whatever I don't care but the point stands it's very convenient to label people according to our bias both sides are doing it here)

I was going to post "i bet you didn't get an answer"

You didn't, nothing new.

 

[MANFACE]

Well,well,well...

Another attack, and all the lefties on here jump on people when we assume another Islamic terrorist.

I know from now on we will just ignore them.

 

[Arazi]

Alternatively you can look at why the person did what they did and judge them based on that, rather than use convenient labels that may not fit (and as you correctly point out are used significantly as bias in many cases. Ironically I think this is something regulus is completely missing the point on time and time again - along with many others mentioning "sympathizer" and "apologist" time and time again).

Your like said the same about the scum who killed 84 people in Nice, then 5 arrests later it turns out it was Islamic, no?

It will be the same reason for pretty much all of the others that have happened and the one's that will happen again.

 

[Arazi]

That is rather odd. If he fails the asylum case then why not deport him, rather than let him stay? There seems to be a major crack in Germany's asylum policy.

I see what your doing, nothing is the fault of the refugee?

 

[Arazi]

Did the French and Polish up and desert their country in the numbers we are talking about whilst leaving their families behind? Some men did so they could fight for their countries whilst based from the UK. Jews to my recollection were spread across countries and not a particular country. Maybe I am wrong there too but I don't remember a specific Jewish country in Europe?

You are correct, i do not know how the Jewish population where meant to fight Hitler.

 

[Arazi]

Because it isn't a simple yes/no question. The reply written was in response to that fact.

But I assume what you want me to say/think is that because he was Muslim at one point the fact he was violent was because he grew up with Islam, and as such the violence should still be attributed to Islam?

Rather than the possibility that he grew up violent/nasty for no reason related to Islam. His violence and extreme views made him gravitate towards an extreme teaching of Islam, which he then denounced but continued on the same violent streak he had since childhood.

Now for this fictitious man, can you provide evidence one is wrong and one is right? Or is the observers preconceived notion clouding their judgement?

But why do you keep looking for good in these angels?

 

[Arazi]

Very true, and given the climate those with ISIS sympathies (whether directed by ISIS or not), might well have taken advantage of Merkel's foolishness. It was remarkably stupid of Merkel to 'open the doors' in the way she did. Taking individuals into a country is one thing, but to take vast numbers without security vetting is as irresponsible as it comes. German guilt regarding WW2 and it's aftermath still influences policy.

Some of you make me laugh, so it is every other ****ers fault but not the scum bags?

 

[Arazi]

Why didn't the German Jews stay in Germany and fight the rise of Hitler and the subsequent internment of them in concentration camps. There were plenty of them... Obviously that notion should be scorned, yet that's essentially the argument you just put across for Male Syrian refugees.

That is pretty sick, how many Jews where of fighting age or able to? Also what % would they have been in the over all German population?

You do know Syria was\is a country full of erm Syrians? Possibly 30-40% 16-40 year olds?

I cannot believe you posted the above as representing and equal comparison, utter garbage and shows you and your like's way of thinking is.

 

[RaohNS]

The British conquested out the biggest Empire in history around the 19th century.
But this is in the past.

Way to go to deflect from my earlier post.

The British Empire was not short of controversy of course. But comparing the crusades to the old world reasoning is not just historically incorrect but low grade toilet paper indeed. The kind you use to wipe but find even with 10 sheets your finger slips through.

 

[Arazi]

Hundreds of thousands of each did yes. Alongside the millions that have left Syria, with their wives and families.

Why didn't the German Jews stay in Germany and fight the rise of Hitler and the subsequent internment of them in concentration camps. There were plenty of them... Obviously that notion should be scorned, yet that's essentially the argument you just put across for Male Syrian refugees.

As I said in a previous thread after linking to an article pointing out the six richest countries are way behind in the helping of refugees that a significant number of poorer countries - perhaps we should be helping the refugees at the source (refugee camps) more, and then not only the fittest (who can travel a few thousand miles, much of it on foot) will get the help from us. Perhaps it would help stem the tide if families weren't so desperate for money to feed and cloth themselves that people had to travel in the first place.

The default premise seems to be so many people coming here are economic migrants. Is there any actual evidence of that? If so is there evidence that these so called economic migrants are just spending their money frivolously or are they actually sending money back to their families in refugee camps in turkey, Jordan and the myriad of other countries hosting more refugees than us.

The next question is why are we still arguing about helping refugees when the vast, vast majority of them are just trying to survive.

When i hear the word refugee in reference to Jewish people i picture the below image:

When i hear the word refugee in reference to Syrian people i picture the below image:

Original image was not a fake:

Form orderly queue gents, women and children first.