Another Germany Attack

Arazi said:
When i hear the word refugee in reference to Jewish people i picture the below image:

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When i hear the word refugee in reference to Syrian people i picture the below image:

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Form orderly queue gents, women and children first.
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The second picture has actually been proven to be a fake.
 
do_ron_ron said:
What has that to do with anything? Apart from your obvious obsession that anyone who comes from Syria belongs to IS and is going to be a mass murderer.
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I am arguing how stupid the whole open door policy was, hence Syrian refugee because of said policy.
 
A lot of people will have also sold everything they own to pay for themselves to travel (often incredibly dangerously) to 'safety'.
 
Arazi said:
No worries, you get my point though, the middle aged men argument.
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KillBoY_UK said:
I'm curious on this, abit more information, photoshop ? mislabelled ?
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It hasn't been proven a fake. I was just iterating the point that the left usually don't like to accept evidence that is presented. They would rather see it as something else. In this case those men and (mostly) women :rolleyes: politely boarding the train are just desperate.

Sorry to just use you to make a point but I am sure you both don't mind given it proves a mutual goal.
 
Xordium said:
Err, no it was a simple question to see how you would describe him. The reason for that should be blatantly obvious you determined in the post I was replying to that the chap the other day was German whilst ignoring the large part of his life.

I think to say that chap was equivalent to an indigenous German was wrong.
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It was a leading question which would ignore the facts of that specific case.

Either way I don't think I have ever claimed he was or wasn't a Muslim, Rather that his religion probably had very little to do with his crime.
 
Tefal said:
Cause you can't deport someone to an active war zone i imagine.

For one who would sign the paperwork without the herman government having to openly agree assad and his government are the rightful rulers of the xountry
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Then we need to come up with another solution to deport failed asylum seekers. Not sure what but I'm sure the might of the European governments must be able to figure something out while they play politics.

Xordium said:
Fine, you differ very differently from what I believe. That's understandable we have different beliefs and experiences. The positive thing is neither of us will then actively pursue action on that. And that for me is the fundamental difference. You and I have been taught to resolve conflict where possible in a humane fashion, that is how we have been raised, and if not to accept difference. Unfortunately, not everyone is taught such things in this world.

Yes, the vast majority want to survive but why should that be at the cost of others. I owe these people nothing - you know if we were on a lifeboat made for 20 and there was 20 already on it and another 30 people in the water then whilst it would not be nice the fact remains you either save 20 out of 50 or you end up losing all 50 because you tried to do too much with limited resources.

If we are too nice to immigrants and tolerate too much then Europe will become swamped because there will no incentive for people to remain where they are and make their life work. In my opinion, we need to start looking at where we put foreign aid and stop using it to facilitate business and to start raising the standard of living for people so they have no need to leave in the first place.
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Yes, not everyone is taught that, but the vast majority from the Middle East are. Especially Syria, which was pretty rich and stable before the war. You're essentially making excuses for the actions of these people - "it's a cultural thing" while at the same time tarring millions of others with the actions of a few.

It's a very small percentage of migrants/refugees that get into trouble, just like its a very small percentage of native Brits/Germans that don't seem to be able to resolve conflict without resorting to violence.

Survival at the cost of others - the same argument could be used to argue that my tax money shouldn't be used to help the homeless guy down the street. Why does giving him a roof over his head help me? In just the same way as helping refugees? Should we just leave them all to it in the squalid camps? Perhaps Germany didn't do it right by letting in 3/4 of a million people in one go but it was largely a response to the inaction of most other European countries and help take the pressure off turkey who have millions.

And I totally agree with the last couple of sentences. Rather than bringing people over here in huge numbers we should be helping them at source, how many are willing to give the billions that are needed for that? There are already plenty on here that want the small amount we already give as aid (which as you point out is largely to promote ourselves and our businesses) to be cut. Can politicians persuade these people we should be giving more?

I also don't think we should tolerate anything. If an immigrant/refugee commits a crime then they should be punished, in just the same way a national should. As an example of the machete guy has a history of violence then why was he allowed to wander round on the street, instead of in a prison/secure mental facility?
 
puppetworx said:
Guess what happens to an economy when a large percentage of young males decide to leave for another country?

Immigration is destroying third world economies, yet people act as if it's kindness.
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Yep, and there is also this problem. On the other hand it's less an issue when the country they are leaving is in a state of never ending civil war.
 
Tummy said:
A lot of people will have also sold everything they own to pay for themselves to travel (often incredibly dangerously) to 'safety'.
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Well that is pretty obvious and we all know the dangers.

But you are forgetting the first country (Greece etc) they stepped foot in was in all likely hood a safe and a free country where their safety is assured, like you said "safety" :rolleyes:

So having reached "safety" why did the refugees carry on their perilous and dangerous journey to more possible death, injury and abuse, or was there something else that they wanted?

Can any apologists answer that one please.
 
RaohNS said:
It hasn't been proven a fake. I was just iterating the point that the left usually don't like to accept evidence that is presented. They would rather see it as something else. In this case those men and (mostly) women :rolleyes: politely boarding the train are just desperate.

Sorry to just use you to make a point but I am sure you both don't mind given it proves a mutual goal.
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haha, not a problem, we know what we meant :)

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Arazi said:
Well that is pretty obvious and we all know the dangers.

But you are forgetting the first country (Greece etc) they stepped foot in was in all likely hood a safe and a free country where their safety is assured, like you said "safety" :rolleyes:

So having reached "safety" why did the refugees carry on their perilous and dangerous journey to more possible death, injury and abuse, or was there something else that they wanted?

Can any apologists answer that one please.
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Not every single person fleeing went through Greece, firstly, but none the less it is their prerogative to keep fleeing until they feel safe.

Look at Turkey, who host a large immigrant population; a corrupt government hurtling towards a dictatorship ruled over by a religious zealot and have actively supported the Islamic State.

I would want to be as far away from that as humanly possible.
 
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