Another Germany Attack

[Arazi]

What does that have to do with anything?

If you were in a war zone, where your life was at risk, would you not pack anything when you left?

Of course i would.

 

[Tummy]

Of course i would.

Then do not mention that people fleeing from a warzone took sodding possessions with them.

 

[Arazi]

There have also been incidents with Afghanis, refugees created mainly from an invasion by the US/UK.

I know, cheers for the link further up.

 

[Malevolence]

What does that have to do with anything?

If you were in a war zone, where your life was at risk, would you not pack anything when you left?

Yes, the first thing I would think of packing would be my iGadget and selfie stick. They also appear to have packed their male grooming kits too.

 

[RaohNS]

Then do not mention that people fleeing from a warzone took sodding possessions with them.

I can just imagine it... Family... Phone... Family... Phone.... Ok phone

 

[Arazi]

Not every single person fleeing went through Greece, firstly, but none the less it is their prerogative to keep fleeing until they feel safe.

Look at Turkey, who host a large immigrant population; a corrupt government hurtling towards a dictatorship ruled over by a religious zealot and have actively supported the Islamic State.

I would want to be as far away from that as humanly possible.

I would think every refugee currently in Germany or wherever in Europe have been through at least one safe country on their journey, so again, can you answer the question i asked.

Why did they not stay in the first safe country?

 

[Amp34]

I can see both sides here. In my opinion that nature of that region and the societies it breeds often means that dictator type characters over time inflict the lesser evil. I disagreed with removing the leadership. The simple fact is these dictators will never rock the boat too far because it will impinge on their wealth collection.

Unless that is if someone can point me to a instance where removing a authoritarian leader has worked out in that region? I can't think of one tbh but I can think of loads where it's all gone wrong afterwards.

The thing is we are wealthy but largely we earned that - yes we were gifted good education (or not so good depending where you come from, security in our youth etc and opportunities but we made something of that. You can't just then take that away from people otherwise you are penalising success. That doesn't though remove the onus on those who have succeeded to provide a greater contribution to those who never had that opportunity.

We all know the Guardianistas though will SJW everywhere but they won't actually invite 10 of these blokes into their own home and leave them alone with their teenage daughters. And there is a problem too the people who are pro-immigration are often the people who never have to suffer the effects to their immediate community.

It's the old adage of giving someone a rod rather than the fish. That's why the aid budget should be doing. TBH you could arguably save a lot from the MoD if you stopped half of this rubbish and end up with a net spending reduction across the board.

Problem is it's not quite as clear cut as that. In Iraq for example we (well the US, with protest at the time from coalition partners because they knew what would happen) removed not just the dictator but subsequently dismantled pretty much the entire state system. They disbanded the army, police and other security services leaving a vaccum they couldn't police or fill quickly enough with new units.

The result - a power vaccum taken advantage of by violent and powerful people.

We are lucky in that the UK has been pretty much completely stable for a millennium, even in times of conflict it the state system was still in place. Just the kings and rulers changed. If tomorrow the entire state was dismantled and weapons became freely available (I'm sure the arms runners would oblige) you'd find a similar thing happen here. The gangs would take over and fill that vaccum and the likes of you and I would be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Do we leave and try and make a life for ourselves and families elsewhere, or do we stay and hope our house isn't robbed/blown up and our family raped/killed?

The issue in all these places isn't the majority, it's the underbelly that every country has (admittedly the more unstable the country has been the more there are likely to be) that thrive in periods of instability wreaking havoc on the majority that just want to carry on with their lives and earn money to survive.

It's not even exclusively a Middle East problem. The same can be shown with the African warlords and the majority of Africans in those countries that are friendly, law abiding citizens - and the ones in fear every day from the armies of marauding thugs controlled by the warlords.

 

[RaohNS]

I would think every refugee currently in Germany or wherever in Europe have been through at least one safe country on their journey, so again, can you answer the question i asked.

Why did they not stay in the first safe country?

The impossible question to answer.

 

[Tummy]

Yes, the first thing I would think of packing would be my iGadget and selfie stick. They also appear to have packed their male grooming kits too.

Heaven forbid anything like this happen to effect anyone here, but if it does I fully expect you to attempt to escape in your birthday suit.

I can just imagine it... Family... Phone... Family... Phone.... Ok phone

It is not quite as simple as that, but well done for being purposefully obtuse . You know full well that the choice was not between their phone or family.

I would think every refugee currently in Germany or wherever in Europe have been through at least one safe country on their journey, so again, can you answer the question i asked.

Why did they not stay in the first safe country?

I answered it in the first reply .

 

[Arazi]

Then do not mention that people fleeing from a warzone took sodding possessions with them.

Yes boss.

 

[Amp34]

That is what i thought, why is there a double standard, i would say if 50 white people from any country, let's say Iceland, turned up at Germany's border they wouldn't be allowed to walk through like the rest of them did.

Never mind having walked through 3\4 countries beforehand also.

It is ridiculous what they have allowed to happen, i said the same a year ago and numerous times since. We will see 5 attacks per week within 6 months around Europe.

If Iceland were in civil war and the Icelanders were on German soil then no they probably would t be turned away. You are arguing a completely different situation.

It has nothing to do with race. If you want to make it an issue then...? It's not lo Europe doesn't have a history with this. As I mentioned earlier the UK took in tens/hundreds of thousands of refugees during the Second World War from all over Europe. We weren't alone, plenty were also shipped to Oz and Canada.

Let's also remember that the 3-4 countries many of these refugees walked through closed their doors to refugees and called themselves transit countries. Germany was the first country most of them entered that was willing to take them in. Perhaps if the other countries were more willing to take people in* Germany wouldn't have so many refugees?

* or we were more willing to spread refugees more evenly through Europe as a whole. Or as previously mentioned we helped make refugee lives near the borders of their country more survivable.

 

[RaohNS]

It is not quite as simple as that, but well done for being purposefully obtuse . You know full well that the choice was not between their phone or family.

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Not being obtuse. You would really as a man abandon your family and take a phone? Have various charities found between 87-93% of "refugees" being listed as male?

The phone thing has been a continual theme here that people who are oh so desperate often have some pretty fanciful gadgets.

How do you know their choice especially when their family is not there with them?

I take it you have and are also blind to the trail of rubbish they have left behind?

These people for the most part are opportunists.

 

[Tummy]

Not being obtuse. You would really as a man abandon your family and take a phone? Have various charities found between 87-93% of "refugees" being listed as male?

The phone thing has been a continual theme here that people who are oh so desperate often have some pretty fanciful gadgets.

How do you know their choice especially when their family is not there with them?

I take it you have and are also blind to the trail of rubbish they have left behind?

These people for the most part are opportunists.

I am perfectly capable of putting my phone in to my pocket, or bag when I leave the house, even in an emergency.

Fleeing means that you will be in danger and need to survive and make good to safety. Keeping contract with people, tracking your route/path, I guess carrying a messenger bird, map and compass is easier.

 

[Arazi]

Yes, the first thing I would think of packing would be my iGadget and selfie stick. They also appear to have packed their male grooming kits too.

Brilliant.

 

[Tummy]

These people for the most part are opportunists.

Just waited for the whole 'my home is in civil war, and people I know are being killed' as the excuse right?

 

[Arazi]

I answered it in the first reply .

Course you did.

 

[RaohNS]

I am perfectly capable of putting my phone in to my pocket, or bag when I leave the house, even in an emergency.

Fleeing means that you will be in danger and need to survive and make good to safety. Keeping contract with people, tracking your route/path, I guess carrying a messenger bird, map and compass is easier.

Where are the families of these "refugees" who make up a round 90% males who make up the refugees? Where?

Just waited for the whole 'my home is in civil war, and people I know are being killed' as the excuse right?

Using google can you tell me the percentage of migrants who are/proven to be Syrian?

 

[Amp34]

Your like said the same about the scum who killed 84 people in Nice, then 5 arrests later it turns out it was Islamic, no?

It will be the same reason for pretty much all of the others that have happened and the one's that will happen again.

Eh, what?

The murder was a person killing a jilted "lover". Happens all the time and currently is believed to be completely unrelated to Terrorism. It's been several days now and the motive is still believed to be the same.

I think you'll find the argument is don't assume until there is actually evidence either way.

Not that you're going to take any notice as you still seem to be trying to pin Islamic extremism on this incident... Why not join the German police force, you seem to know more than them.

I see what your doing, nothing is the fault of the refugee?

I'm not blaming the refugee for anything, except his actions... You know, murdering someone...

What I am doing in that post is asking why a failed asylum seeker wasn't deported.

 

[Arazi]

If Iceland were in civil war and the Icelanders were on German soil then no they probably would t be turned away. You are arguing a completely different situation.

It has nothing to do with race. If you want to make it an issue then...? It's not lo Europe doesn't have a history with this. As I mentioned earlier the UK took in tens/hundreds of thousands of refugees during the Second World War from all over Europe. We weren't alone, plenty were also shipped to Oz and Canada.

Let's also remember that the 3-4 countries many of these refugees walked through closed their doors to refugees and called themselves transit countries. Germany was the first country most of them entered that was willing to take them in. Perhaps if the other countries were more willing to take people in* Germany wouldn't have so many refugees?

* or we were more willing to spread refugees more evenly through Europe as a whole. Or as previously mentioned we helped make refugee lives near the borders of their country more survivable.

Excuse me, you missed out better state benefits, oops.

 

[Arazi]

Not being obtuse. You would really as a man abandon your family and take a phone? Have various charities found between 87-93% of "refugees" being listed as male?

The phone thing has been a continual theme here that people who are oh so desperate often have some pretty fanciful gadgets.

How do you know their choice especially when their family is not there with them?

I take it you have and are also blind to the trail of rubbish they have left behind?

These people for the most part are opportunists.

Exactly that.