Another news agency lying through its teeth

[Amp34]

The two state solution has to be the answer. Both Jews and Arabs have the right to live there in peace. If you took religion out of this we'd be a damn site nearer to a workable peaceable future.

Unfortunately Israel is vehemently against a two state solution and I think this current spate of violence is based on Palestine applying (and succeeding) to become a non member observer state based on 1967 boundaries.

That of course will leave half a milllion Israelis that (generally) stole Palestinian land* on the wrong side of the boundary in Palestine not Israel, like they had been promised by the Israeli government wnhen it helped them move there...

*Some of it was legitimately bought, much of it was taken by the Israeli army and given out to settlers, backed by the Israeli government to give the government more leverage in taking over the rest of Palestine...

 

[ilcp]

And Christians never destroyed monuments...

Christians dont rape either, or become paedophiles.. it is all muslims... [courtesy of bit slice's anti-islamic news agency]

https://www.facebook.com/BreakingTheSilenceIsrael is all you need to know, straight from Horse's mouth (Ex-israeli soliders talking about what they had to do!)

Probably people like bit slice will find some excuse..

 

[B&W]

Christians dont rape either, or become paedophiles.. it is all muslims... [courtesy of bit slice's anti-islamic news agency]

https://www.facebook.com/BreakingTheSilenceIsrael is all you need to know, straight from Horse's mouth (Ex-israeli soliders talking about what they had to do!)

Probably people like bit slice will find some excuse..

Don't feed the troll.

 

[bitslice]

You are a racist, to you israel can do no wrong because they are inflicting it on Muslims.

And you are full of BS and resort to name calling because you haven't got an argument. Don't blame me for your problems, I'm not part of the genocidal tribe intent on killing its brothers.

It does not matter if the land was underdeveloped or not..

Well it helps if you know that few people are going to be inconvenienced by it. If you are going to pretend you have a right to live somewhere then you better be ready to defend it, otherwise you are just the local natives.

and how did Israel developed it? did they plant magic beans? no they have every year been given MONEY by the USA, right now it amounts to $3 billion dollars..

The GDP of Israel is $243 Billion, $3B is peanuts for buying a few Jewish votes back in the US.

The GDP of Palestine is $4 Billion,
until Arafat kicked off his war, Palestine was doing quite well off the back of Isreal at about $5.5 billion.

You do know there are lots of Jews opposing what Israel is doing?

So what, they all have a vote don't they?

Plus why should they share their land with someone else?

It's not their land, they never ruled it as a sovereign state, they were always ruled by someone else. Go read some history.


I see you still need some time to think of a single muslim that the world actually needs, it's OK, I can wait

Don't feed the troll.

Hah hah, still butthurt that you didn't read my post properly and looked like an idiot?

And Christians never destroyed monuments...

Hah, I'm not bothered if Islam destroys all of its monuments and history, there is almost nothing of value there anyway.
I'm just pointing out the obvious, that Islam is self destructive and it's a pity it is so intent of destroying what little it has to show for the last 2000 years.

Christianity and Western culture tends to be so productive and creative that it doesn't really matter too much if we have a few World Wars and burn a few paintings. We can rebuild everything in 30 years.

 

[Amp34]

Don't feed the troll.

EDIT: Worked out who you mean now...

 

[B&W]

Hah, I'm not bothered if Islam destroys all of its monuments and history, there is almost nothing of value there anyway.
I'm just pointing out the obvious, that Islam is self destructive and it's a pity it is so intent of destroying what little it has to show for the last 2000 years.

Christianity and Western culture tends to be so productive and creative that it doesn't really matter too much if we have a few World Wars and burn a few paintings. We can rebuild everything in 30 years.

Read your history again Islam in the middle ages did actually contribute a lot to civilisation.

Western Europe hasn't been like this for 2000 years you know, it is mainly the last few hundred years we have advanced.

It's just the right time for it, everyone has a time and place.

 

[Nix]

Read your history again Islam in the middle ages did actually contribute a lot to civilisation.

Western Europe hasn't been like this for 2000 years you know, it is mainly the last few hundred years we have advanced.

It's just the right time for it, everyone has a time and place.

Just to point out, Mesopotamia was/is considered one of the founding places of all civilisation. They discovered many things (of which it's believed a lot was lost in the Great Fire of Alexandria), the most notable thing being our mathematical system.

The numbers 1 through 9 and the idea of counting in 10s, originates from the Middle East.

The argument that 'Western culture' is simply 'better' is a fallacy at best.

 

[bitslice]

Read your history again Islam in the middle ages did actually contribute a lot to civilisation.

I'm talking about its own monuments it's busy destroying, they would find it hard to destroy ideas that made it to the modern world.

We had a nice thread on just this topic until it got modded
*sigh*

It's just the right time for it, everyone has a time and place.

Islam is going to remain exactly where it is, freedom to progress requires social and intellectual freedom. It didn't exist for a short period under Catholic rule and it doesn't exist in most of the middle east.

There is a narrow window of opportunity for Islam, unless you can get rid of all the crazy people and move on then you are going to watch the oil run out and you'll still be lumbered with a ignorant peasant population.

India got it right and is booming right now, Pakistan hasn't and is dirt poor.

 

[B&W]

I'm talking about its own monuments it's busy destroying, they would find it hard to destroy ideas that made it to the modern world.

We had a nice thread on just this topic until it got modded
*sigh*



Islam is going to remain exactly where it is, freedom to progress requires social and intellectual freedom. It didn't exist for a short period under Catholic rule and it doesn't exist in most of the middle east.

There is a narrow window of opportunity for Islam, unless you can get rid of all the crazy people and move on then you are going to watch the oil run out and you'll still be lumbered with a ignorant peasant population.

India got it right, Pakistan hasn't.

"Of what little it has to show", your words and the Islamic contribution to civilization wasn't little.

Neither of us has a crystal ball, but sometimes things must get worse to get better. Yes Pakistan as part of the Muslim world hasn't got it right.

But things are changing across the region, this freedom will come sooner or later it's just facing some problems that need to be sorted.

 

[ilcp]

I resort to name calling? I am not the one generalising a whole "race" as one, I am not the one calling a whole race "goat herders" and that they are basically worthless.. Pot, Kettle, Black comes to mind except in your case it might be white!

you keep saying it is ok if there are few people, no it isn't. the palestine was full of people.. but if it helps you keep telling yourself there werent that many people there.

Q: If the GDP of Israel is 243B, why does it need extra money from USA?
Q: How did Israel's GDB came to that? would it be doing so well if USA hadnt been helping someone right from the beginning? maybe..

I know history, British thought ok to invade half of the earth for their own selfish desires... gave majority of the land to Israel in 1948, you think it is ok for someone to dictate where you will live? Common sense would have been to let the people CHOOSE through voting after all doesnt the west go on about democracy.

Well by the same token, what have you done apart from try to spread hatred for muslims? You, BNP, Klu Klu klan should all go then.. if this is how you value who gets to live.. apparently you don't care about the murderers serving life for their heinous crimes as they are not muslims, because according to your policy of if the world needs them, then they should be offed as well along with rapists, child molesters etc etc, then there will coem a time when you will moan at people who look different to you, people who breathe in a different way, have a dodgy nose... see where this is going..

So you are saying it is ok to go to war, kill innocent lives as long as we can rebuild everything.

You say I havent read your posts, have you mine?

You are nothing but a racist with an agenda to grind. according to your own policy the world would be a better place, so go off yourself first..

And you are full of BS and resort to name calling because you haven't got an argument. Don't blame me for your problems, I'm not part of the genocidal tribe intent on killing its brothers.

Well it helps if you know that few people are going to be inconvenienced by it. If you are going to pretend you have a right to live somewhere then you better be ready to defend it, otherwise you are just the local natives.

The GDP of Israel is $243 Billion, $3B is peanuts for buying a few Jewish votes back in the US.

The GDP of Palestine is $4 Billion,
until Arafat kicked off his war, Palestine was doing quite well off the back of Isreal at about $5.5 billion.

So what, they all have a vote don't they?

It's not their land, they never ruled it as a sovereign state, they were always ruled by someone else. Go read some history.


I see you still need some time to think of a single muslim that the world actually needs, it's OK, I can wait


Hah hah, still butthurt that you didn't read my post properly and looked like an idiot?



Hah, I'm not bothered if Islam destroys all of its monuments and history, there is almost nothing of value there anyway.
I'm just pointing out the obvious, that Islam is self destructive and it's a pity it is so intent of destroying what little it has to show for the last 2000 years.

Christianity and Western culture tends to be so productive and creative that it doesn't really matter too much if we have a few World Wars and burn a few paintings. We can rebuild everything in 30 years.

 

[ilcp]

I
India got it right and is booming right now, Pakistan hasn't and is dirt poor.

No thanks to USA and its war on terrorism which Pakistan supported and is now paying the price because of all the taleban bombing and drone attacks..

Thanks USA... but again you dont care because to you it will be that many less muslims... i bet secretly you must be counting down from 1.42 (or however many muslims there are) billion..

 

[bitslice]

i bet secretly you must be counting down from 1.42 (or however many muslims there are) billion..

Why would I do that? Counting sheep works just as well.

I resort to name calling? I am not the one generalising a whole "race" as one, I am not the one calling a whole race "goat herders" and that they are basically worthless..

I'm not calling a whole race goat herders just the ones in Palestine in 1880 who were most likely herding goats, growing wheat and olives.
Y'know, peasants...

Why when I call some goat herders, "goat herders" - you then think you have the right to call me racist?
Tell me more about these Palestinian Aeroplane makers of yours...

you keep saying it is ok if there are few people, no it isn't. the palestine was full of people.. but if it helps you keep telling yourself there werent that many people there.

American consul Jerusalem 1880
“The population and wealth of Palestine has not increased during the last forty years”

Report of the Palestine Royal Commission
"Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen....The ploughs used were of wood....The yields were very poor....The sanitary conditions in the village were horrible. Schools did not exist....The western part, towards the sea, was almost a desert....The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants"

*shrug*

Q: If the GDP of Israel is 243B, why does it need extra money from USA?

To buy votes in Congress?

Q: How did Israel's GDB came to that? would it be doing so well if USA hadnt been helping someone right from the beginning? maybe..

Have you ever met a poor Jew? I haven't but I've met a few rich ones.

gave majority of the land to Israel in 1948, you think it is ok for someone to dictate where you will live? Common sense would have been to let the people CHOOSE through voting after all doesnt the west go on about democracy.

Where else are Jews going to go but Jerusalem?
I hear they were offered Skegness but turned it down.

Well by the same token, what have you done apart from try to spread hatred for muslims?

I haven't, you are just a shouty angry people who do irritating things every week. Anyone who can be bothered to hate you must have too much time on their hands.
If anyone hates muslims, it's other muslims, my mild irritation doesn't even get a look in.

see where this is going..

Not really, you were getting a bit excited there old bean.

So you are saying it is ok to go to war, kill innocent lives as long as we can rebuild everything.

Well it's OK for us in the West. For you it's a disaster, I suggest you stop fighting each other.

You say I havent read your posts, have you mine?

I was talking to some other guy

You are nothing but a racist with an agenda to grind. according to your own policy the world would be a better place, so go off yourself first..

Are muslims a race again this week? I can't keep up.

You want me to kill myself? Do you even realise the paperwork that creates?

 

[ilcp]

no.. i was just saying you should because by your logic just as "no muslims are worthy of living" you arent either, so you should act on your advice..

race was in quotes for a reason!

 

[bitslice]

no.. i was just saying you should because by your logic just as "no muslims are worthy of living" you arent either, so you should act on your advice..

Why don't you quote me instead of thinking too much.


"no muslims are worthy of living"

You said this, not me, why don't you ask yourself what you mean and get back to me later

 

[Sliver]

Perhaps the west should provide Hamas with guided missiles so they can actually strike back with accuracy. I'm sure they would be happy to be able to aim the missiles at Israeli military installations or the homes of senior military members...

Only Israel targets their enemy. It's not Israel's fault that Hamas hide behind their own civilians. At least Israel compensate by giving warnings before a strike in civilian areas.. Hamas just target civilians, no warnings.

 

[jcr]

i prefer the alternative news media these days

 

[Nix]

Only Israel targets their enemy. It's not Israel's fault that Hamas hide behind their own civilians. At least Israel compensate by giving warnings before a strike in civilian areas.. Hamas just target civilians, no warnings.

So Israel have never killed Palestinian civilians?

What biased nonsense you spout.

 

[Sliver]

So Israel have never killed Palestinian civilians?

What biased nonsense you spout.

Did I say that ? Read my post again. Where did I say that ? The only nonsense here is coming from you. Learn to read.

 

[Craterloads]

Only Israel targets their enemy.

Over anybody else with little regard to civilians. Or where ever a rocket was fired from regardless of where like today they destroyed a disabled peoples hospital.

It's not Israel's fault that Hamas hide behind their own civilians.

They live in one of the most densely populated places on the planet, thanks to Israel for squeezing them in a smaller and smaller land mass. Then have built a wall and locked them all inside so civilians have no where do go then have the cheek to claims hamas is hiding behind civilians.

At least Israel compensate by giving warnings before a strike in civilian areas..

Yet still hundred of civilians and children killed, what is the point of the strike if they warn before hand anyway? Surely there target will get away. Also a random phone call of please leave we are going to blow up your house isn't exactly ethical to begin with.

Hamas just target civilians, no warnings.

Hamas couldn't target a goat never mind civilians. The rockets pretty much have to fly miles randomly and hit you in the face to do any damage. Im sure if they could or had the capabilities they would rather target the soldiers, as it would actually benefit them to kill the soldiers who are trying to kill them, rather than some Israeli kids on the other side of the country.

 

[Sliver]

lol at the above. Just lol.