Another school shooting in the US

Only if you are ignorant enough to fail to detect the sarcastic manner in which it was meant to be read. The point is whether it's a hand-gun / semi-automatic rifle / fully automatic machine gun, they all have the power to kill as easily as eachother.

Hence banning semi-auto/full-auto weapons is largely moot if you want to tackle the problem.
I think you will find for killing large amounts of people in a short time, fully automatic weapons/machine guns/semi-automatic rifles are considerably more efficient than using handguns.

Not only this, but the damage per hit would be significantly higher, decreasing the individuals chance of survival & increasing the pain felt (so you are wrong on all levels).

I do agree that banning just a certain group of weapons isn't the right approach, a flat ban would be preferable.
 
Whipped this up on the lathe a few minutes ago:

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I doubt the citizens of the US have the stomach to enforce a ban on guns.
I have seen a few episodes of American Guns on Discovery which features strange people buying pink handguns to carry in their purses and in one case a customised Winchester rifle to sit under the rear passenger seat of a guy's truck. While obviously it is dramatised it is incredible to see the justifications that people come up with for owning such weapons.


For balance I do watch a program called Family Guns on Natinal Geo about historic weapons trade. While far from factual it is interesting to see how technology has evolved. Although still devastating it definitely takes a while to load a musket or even a breach loading pistol. Those were the types of weapons that the 2nd amendment had in mind after the American Revolution when further war was a viable threat.
 
Waded in very late and this has probably been brought up already but how on earth have the NRA got so powerful that they can successfully push through these moronic bills!!!?

The NRA, working alongside like-minded conservative groups such as Alec, the American Legislative Exchange Council, has developed sophisticated lobbying networks designed to push back gun controls both at the federal and state level.

Here are key areas where the gun lobby has either pushed laws that weaken controls or blocked laws intended to tighten loopholes:

1. Concealed carry reciprocity

The NRA is backing two bills currently being considered by the US Senate that would extend the right to carry concealed weapons right across the US. The Begich-Manchin and Thune-Vitter bills would override the laws of almost every state by forcing them to allow people with out-of-state concealed carry permits to carry a hidden loaded gun, even in cases where the individual would not have qualified for a permit in that particular state. The Thune bill goes further – it would allow people from states that don't even require permits to carry hidden guns throughout the country.

2. Private gun sales loophole

Under existing federal law, unlicensed gun sellers are allowed to sell weapons without a background check of the buyer at gun shows and other private sales. Paradoxically, only licensed dealers are required to conduct such background checks, which gun control advocates see as crucial in cutting off the supply of weapons to criminals and mentally unstable individuals. The NRA strongly opposes legislation that would close this glaring loophole by requiring background checks for all gun sales.

3. Terror watch list

The NRA has strongly opposed legislation to prohibit the sale of guns to people on the federal government's terrorist watch list. Under current law, a suspected terrorist can be put on the no-fly list and be kept off a plane, but can't be prevented from buying a gun.

4. Stand-your-ground laws

The NRA successfully lobbied for Florida's stand-your-ground law in 2005, the same shoot-first provision that was invoked by Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman. Working with Alec, the NRA has encouraged the passage of similar legislation in 24 other states, and now it is actively pursuing bills that would codify similar legislation in at least seven states: Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota (where the bill was vetoed by governor), Nebraska, New Jersey, New York and Washington.

5. Guns on campuses

This year, at least 14 states have introduced 35 bills, with NRA encouragement, that would allow students and faculty to carry concealed weapons on the campuses of state colleges and universities, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Alec, too, has put forward a model bill for guns on campuses. Remarkably, the argument is often made that having hidden guns on campus would help prevent another Virginia Tech, America's deadliest shooting by a single gunman, in which 33 people were killed in April 2007.

6. Guns in schools

NRA-backed gun proponents have tried in several states to pass legislation eliminating "gun-free zones" and allowing weapons in elementary schools and even day-care centres. In February, the Georgia state assembly considered - though did not pass - HR 981, which would have made it legal to carry guns on college campuses, elementary and secondary schools, state mental hospitals and bars.

7. Guns in the workplace

For several years the NRA has pushed legislation prohibiting businesses and employers from banning guns in locked cars in parking lots. It has been successful in several states, including Florida and Utah, and is currently pushing for passage in Tennessee. Indiana and North Dakota have enacted laws allowing employees to sue if they are asked about gun possession at work.

8. Guns in bars and restaurants

The NRA has also been lobbying for several years to expand the right to carry hidden loaded guns into bars and restaurants.

9. Tracing guns used in shootings

In 2004, a Republican congressman from Kansas, Todd Tiahrt, a long-time ally of the NRA, added an amendment to bill regarding the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives (ATF). Until that point, data had been kept on the history of guns used in murders and shootings, which allowed police and policymakers to trace them back to corrupt dealerships and other holes in the system. The rule change, known as the Tiahrt amendment, made this data much harder to acquire. It also forced the justice department to destroy within 24 hours the records of any gun buyer whose background check was approved. The overall impact of the amendments was to make it much harder for police to clamp down on illegally distributed guns.

10. Revoking licences from corrupt dealers

The NRA has made several attempts to usher through Congress an "ATF reform bill" that would make it much harder – some say virtually impossible – to revoke the gun-selling licenses of crooked dealers. If the bill passed – and the NRA is expected to try again soon – the ATF would have to prove the dealer's state of mind, in terms of his or her premeditated intention to break the law.

SOURCE: Mayors Against Illegal Guns

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/13/nra-weakened-gun-control-laws
 
Waded in very late and this has probably been brought up already but how on earth have the NRA got so powerful that they can successfully push through these moronic bills!!!?

Welcome to the USA, where children under 9 die for your freedom to bear arms.

Police say Lanza had earlier killed his mother at their home.

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Lanza's main weapon was a .223 calibre Bushmaster assault rifle - a civilian version of the US military's M4 - which was registered to his mother.

Go hard, Super Safety Mum! It's just as well she had those guns in the house! Just imagine if someone had tried to kill her!

Oh wait. They did kill her. And they used her guns to do it. Oops.
 
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What does Obama realistically think he can do? The most powerful man in the world, completely powerless to do anything meaningful when the NRA are your opponents.
 
What does Obama realistically think he can do? The most powerful man in the world, completely powerless to do anything meaningful when the NRA are your opponents.

Not a lot but seeing as he wont be running for President again, i hope he goes in all guns blazing...pardon the pun:p

But something needs to be done with regards to gun control in America...far too many times in the past there have been shootings. But with the NRA and the power they hold, Obama is going to have one hell of a time trying to get laws passed for gun control.
 
They make a vaguely valid point though. There's soo many guns already in circulation in the US that if they were just to blanket ban guns and collect them "all" in, the crims would still find ways to have them, but the good guys would have given theirs up. The current system may not be perfect, but at least the good guys as-well as crims are equally armed.
Unfortunately we can't go back in time and stop neither side getting them in the first place!
 
Not sure if you guys have seen this, but it's breaking on Sky news - hope it's a false alarm:

http://news.sky.com/story/1026615/schools-in-lockdown-due-to-suspicious-man

Police are investigating a report of a suspicious man who may be armed in Ridgefield, 20 miles from the Newtown school massacre scene.

The man was reportedly seen with a rifle near an elementary school in Ridgefield, Connecticut, and all schools in the town are in lockdown as a result.

Ridgefield Superintendent Deborah Low has released a statement saying: "Due to a report of a possibly suspicious person in the Branchville Train Station area, all schools have been put into lockdown.

"Branchville Elementary buses have been diverted to East Ridge Middle School and BES students are in the auditorium."

Police are continuing to investigate Friday's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, where gunman Adam Lanza killed 20 children and six adults.

He also shot dead his mother earlier at the home they shared.

Police have revealed that two adults were injured and survived the school shooting.

Everyone must be on super high alert over there and on edge every minute.
 
I'm genuinely interested to see how this is going to progress.

I Think they will manage to bring in some new legislation, but it will be interesting what that legislation will be.

They will never ever ban guns entirely, its just a question of how far they go. Politicians are said to be asking for an outright ban on Semi Auto Assault Rifles, which to everybody else but the NRA and its members seems logical.

Will they get it though ? if I were a betting man I'd say no.

On another note this is worth a read. Relatively bias and sensation free Full step by step of what happened:

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...hook-school-shooting-20121214,0,6861962.story
 
Gun free zones are worse than useless, they are outright deadly. Because no one going on a killing spree cares if it's a gun free zone, they are going to die/ go to jail no matter what. But ordinary people will be disarmed.
 
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