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Another school shooting in the US
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Did you forget about Norway and thier strict gun controls, they have not had any trouble.
Just saw a pic of a thread from Wednesday (on a certain, notorious forum for these kind of things to be hinted at) where the OP claimed they would commit suicide on Friday and make it on the news, also mentioning they lived in the same town as this happened. It seems pretty legit as it's being sent to news companies over there...
Soldato
It does have an effect, just guns are not the only variable.
Think of guns as a risk multiplication factor of pre-existing social issues.
Soldato
What are you talking about?, Norway has far more relaxed gun control laws than we do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway
Are you one of those people* who thinks one example against a trend/average is evidence proving the trend is false?.
*idiots.
As referenced by one of the previous links posted:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
Various research done at Harvard supports the correlation between increased gun ownership and homicide.
I suspect their research went somewhat beyond
'lol but what about this one isolated incident in Country X, OBVIOUSLY THIS DISPROVES THE ENTIRE THEORY'
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
Various research done at Harvard supports the correlation between increased gun ownership and homicide.
I suspect their research went somewhat beyond
'lol but what about this one isolated incident in Country X, OBVIOUSLY THIS DISPROVES THE ENTIRE THEORY'
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this made me chuckle
Soldato
Yes more relaxed than us, a hell of a lot more strict than the US and crazy people will still find ways to do crazy things.
So I am the idiot for not jumping on the lets ban guns bandwagon where there are many many more things that are more dangerous and deadly. Yes what has happened is a tragedy and it will continue to happen but that is the negative side of allowing public gun ownership.
People trying to ban or stop things as a few bad things happen are the idiots, we need to make steps to help the crazy people, find out the underlying factors and stop them happening agan. That is a sensible idea which has long lasting benefits.
The ban camps idea is short sighted, oversimple and not very well though through but sounds impressive. Not to mention it spoils a hobby/ passion that many people have for the bad behaviour of a few.
I bet the argument would be different it we were talking about banning alcohol as people drunk drive/fight etc.
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So you've scoured Europe to find one example of a mass shooting and you think that even starts to compare to the 80 odd shootings in the States since 1996?
I'm sorry but the argument that the yearly mass killings that happen in the States are justified because very, very occasionally but rarely similar things happen elsewhere is just plain stupid.
Using your logic I could equally argue that the vast majority of people that drive at 50 mph past schools don't kill people so we should get rid of speed limits altogether.
There is such a thing as harm reduction, you don't take the attitude that unless you can completely eradicate something you might as well have a free for all.
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just heard that the weapons used were stolen, this is the case with a lot of the shootings... this state also has some of the most tight gun control laws.
if a crazy person wants to go on a mass shooting they will do it regardless of gun control laws.
as you can see its a very complex issue with no easy answer, banning guns is certainly not a definite fix
if a crazy person wants to go on a mass shooting they will do it regardless of gun control laws.
as you can see its a very complex issue with no easy answer, banning guns is certainly not a definite fix
I am afraid for the US it seems the obvious solution. These shootings will continue to happen, hit the news then gun law debate, pro's and con's are discussed, rights...this subsides until the next shooting so you get the debate again...
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there is no obvious solution, most gun crime in the US is done with illegal guns.
too many guns out there, too late in the day to think banning them will solve anything.
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this made me chuckle
Chuckle at what inept silly argument it is?
How many school stonings have there been in the US resently?
Infact if we look at mass homicides, what is the weapon of choice? A rock, a bow and arrow, a knife? No, it's a gun? Why? Because it's designed to kill as easily and efficiently as possible.
If you want to kill as many people, as easily as possible, pick the right tool for the job... A GUN!
I can't believe we get points/arguments as seemly daft as this.
Sure bad people kill people, but GUNS make it a whole lot easier for them! So why make it easy for them to have them?
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FFS another 'white' terrorist goes and kills 27 defenceless people...majority of them children. ****ing scumbag takes the easy way and kills himself.
Time for the Americans to tighten up their gun laws, it's far too easy for people to get guns over there without any proper checks etc.
RIP to the 27 people
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Time for the Americans to tighten up their gun laws, it's far too easy for people to get guns over there without any proper checks etc.
RIP to the 27 people
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