'Anti' Isalm cartoons....

Phantom · 16 Feb 2006 at 16:57

cleanbluesky said:
Islam is not a race.

yep, its a religion but its the followers of that religion who will ultimately take action or be offended

cleanbluesky said:
There is nothing that closes your world as much as obedience.

so youre disobedient? you believe in anarchy's rule? a non-civilised society? there is no clear cut - you HAVE to respect the laws and beliefs of others whether you think they to be wrong or not otherwise society falls apart.
we all live in a multicultural society and for it to work and to appease everyone there has to be some changes to the arrogant thinking that "im always right and never wrong"

cleanbluesky said:
In your fervour, did you pause to wonder whether his comment was aimed at more than one specific group?

yes.

do you pause to wonder how or what you say and do will affect others? i noticed you failed to answer my questions posed to you previously

Phantom · 16 Feb 2006 at 16:59

noginn said:

...and like the guy who went dressed up as a bomber to protest. they act without thinking

Sleepy · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:00

Borris said:
Bertrand Russell posts on this forum?

Cool. Another liberal flannel wearer to add to the ranks.

Yeah

I edited my post to clarify what I meant

Sleepy · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:01

Phantom said:
...and like the guy who went dressed up as a bomber to protest. they act without thinking

Its been photoshopped.

VIRII · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:02

Spawn said:
What will they get out of this deliberate provocation??...probably a few more terrorist bombings if anything.....who knows...

I am beginning to wonder if that is a deliberate aim of all of this.
So much being released in close timescales, is it intended to start pushing the extremeists into action?
A couple more 7/7 style attacks in Europe and I think theres a good chance for EU support for taking on Iran or pretty much any other muslim related task.

Phantom · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:04

Sleepy said:
Its been photoshopped.

but it looks as though the original did have "behead" on the top so my point still stands..

ho hum. so no one knows whos to blame (photoshop example) and it all comes down to the idiots who like to stir and make a bad situation, worse. very clever.

Sleepy · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:07

Borris said:
If it is true that the contingent of Danish Imams purposefully added to the cartoons in order to garner more support from their intended audience (as opposed to mistakenly / any other reason), it begs the question - cui bono?

There does not seem to be any doubt that extra cartoons more inflammatory then the Dutch originals were added. and they were added by people showing them in the middle east, certain muslim clerics have been identified as being responsible for spreading the fakes. hough its not known if they were aware of the fraud they were perpetuating

What would they actually stand to gain?

Anti western feeling for internal political uses, raise religious tensions for external and internal usage

That being said - why is the UK being pilloried and lambasted for cartoons from a different country, which even the normally sensationalist UK media has failed to reprint?

Even the US media has been reticent in reprinting them.

Yet the cries still go out "death to America" and KFC's get burned

Phantom · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:08

VIRII said:
I am beginning to wonder if that is a deliberate aim of all of this.
So much being released in close timescales, is it intended to start pushing the extremeists into action?
A couple more 7/7 style attacks in Europe and I think theres a good chance for EU support for taking on Iran or pretty much any other muslim related task.

no doubt its a possibility and will more than likely scale into something far bigger. is this where the world finally comes to an end?

Sleepy · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:15

Phantom said:
no doubt its a possibility and will more than likely scale into something far bigger. is this where the world finally comes to an end?

A tad melodromatic me thinks.

Borris · 16 Feb 2006 at 17:17

Phantom said:
is this where the world finally comes to an end?

Don't.

Just don't.

Otherwise, someone is bound to mention Nostradamus, the Apocalypse, Ragnarök or some other The-End-of-the-World-is-Nigh doom and gloom, and I will be forced to headbutt the wall until I lose consciousness.

cleanbluesky · 16 Feb 2006 at 18:02

Phantom said:
yep, its a religion but its the followers of that religion who will ultimately take action or be offended

Is that retort?

so youre disobedient? you believe in anarchy's rule? a non-civilised society?

Did I say this? Before we start to talk hypothetically again, the answer is no.

there is no clear cut - you HAVE to respect the laws and beliefs of others whether you think they to be wrong or not otherwise society falls apart.

Does this mean anything? Who has a right to impose 'laws' upon us? Should we tolerate any ideology becasue it falls into the catagory of a 'belief'? The Nazis believed in killing Jews and we owe our lives and freedom to the fact that we didn't tolerate it.

we all live in a multicultural society and for it to work and to appease everyone there has to be some changes to the arrogant thinking that "im always right and never wrong"

When violence ensued, 'tolerance' was no longer the main issue.

yes.

do you pause to wonder how or what you say and do will affect others? i noticed you failed to answer my questions posed to you previously

I know I failed to answer them, citing the reason that your questions were based on a hypothetical situation rather than what is happening. I asked you to re-read the material as I cannot debate something with you if you have not seen what has gone on

cleanbluesky · 16 Feb 2006 at 18:03

Borris said:
Otherwise, someone is bound to mention Nostradamus, the Apocalypse, Ragnarök or some other The-End-of-the-World-is-Nigh doom and gloom, and I will be forced to headbutt the wall until I lose consciousness.

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!

SideWinder · 16 Feb 2006 at 19:23

cleanbluesky · 16 Feb 2006 at 19:25

SideWinder · 16 Feb 2006 at 19:39

cleanbluesky said:
nm

To contraversial..?

cleanbluesky · 16 Feb 2006 at 19:42

SideWinder said:
To contraversial..?

Not me.

I was just re-posting what you put up in case you didn't sort out the php bit in the link... you did so my post became redundant

SideWinder · 16 Feb 2006 at 19:48

Oh, thankyou.

Dingo · 16 Feb 2006 at 20:45

Just a thought but has anyone else noticed that there was a lack of "cartoon" protesters in Australia where they have a population of 300,000 muslims.

Now call me a cynic but it would appear that the Australian Government's tough stance on the expected behaviour of minority groups, compared to our limp wristed appeasement approach, has had the desired effect in that country.

Could also be of course because of the response of the Australian public when a lifeguard was killed on Cronulla beach, or the Bali bombings, but that's too simplistic, so I guess it may have something to do with this article

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-07/2005-07-26-voa5.cfm?CFID=6856107&CFTOKEN=33923730

The threat of deportation must have a sobering effect on people so perhaps the answer is to start building boats again and "export" troublemakers to the ex-colony where they would find a very different approach to thyeir behaviours.

Yas786 · 16 Feb 2006 at 20:54

cleanbluesky said:
Am I the only one who sees a morbid smugness in this post?

Hmmm no you just cant see the sarcasm in my post

Virii said:
I am beginning to wonder if that is a deliberate aim of all of this.
So much being released in close timescales, is it intended to start pushing the extremeists into action?
A couple more 7/7 style attacks in Europe and I think theres a good chance for EU support for taking on Iran or pretty much any other muslim related task

Same thing im wondering myself, if these re-prints of these cartoons are supposed to give more fuel and backing to an impending invasion of Iran then bloody hell they are doing a damn good job of it imho.
This can only end up being more worse, personally i think the whole damn issue of free speech has got out of hand...i think you lot have made your point....further printing or provocation of this matter will only make things worse imho.

Sleepy said:
An Englishman, an Irishman and the Prophet Mohammed walk into a pub and they notice the barmaid is an absolute stunner and she's dressed in the most revealing dress imaginable.

The Englishman says, "I'll buy the drinks all evening if either of you can get me her phone number".

The Irishman says, "No, I'll buy the drinks all evening and pay for a slap-up meal and pay for the cab home if either of you can get me a date with her."

The Prophet Mohammed shouts, "INFIDELS!" and cuts all their heads off with a scimitar.

Man that is a terrible joke....your camel is waiting outside for u...

Dingo · 16 Feb 2006 at 21:27

Borris said:
If it is true that the contingent of Danish Imams purposefully added to the cartoons in order to garner more support from their intended audience (as opposed to mistakenly / any other reason), it begs the question - cui bono?

What would they actually stand to gain?.

Perhaps simply that the Danish Government had failed to do what they had wanted and would not be cowed into submission of free speech in their own country....so raise a worldwide issue so that they too are cowed like the rest of Europe.

Borris said:
That being said - why is the UK being pilloried and lambasted for cartoons from a different country, which even the normally sensationalist UK media has failed to reprint?

When you have a dog that is trained it never hurts to beat it often to make sure it stays that way!