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Any Reason to buy intel?

End of the day build the best system you can now and forget tomorrow.

Every one always say buy X until Z is available...
Right now I would buy b550 and a second hand 3700x. My cpu hits my frame cap at 35% usage without an overclock.
 
alex h said:
Why is Intel the only choice ? There are plenty of amd chips out there to buy as well I'm not a fan boy of either but would like you to clarify
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It's just the supply situation. Until AMD sort it out, you can't actually buy the top-end AMD chips, and the older (Zen 2) ones have inflated in price a bit due to overflow of demand. So if you need a system *now* you might find an intel is available at a certain price/performance point and AMD just isn't. I would expect it to have settled down by late Dec/Jan, and this situation to have come to an end.
 
alex h said:
Why is Intel the only choice ? There are plenty of amd chips out there to buy as well I'm not a fan boy of either but would like you to clarify
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You have a good point - I guess I was thinking more about my situation and not the OP. If the price is right, a 3000-series would still be infinately better than no PC for a long while and give them an upgrade path to their desired CPU. If they don't have a GPU, Intel are of course a better option "right now" becasue at least the PC would have display although you wouldn't be doing any gaming until you could get a gfx card.

Sorry - I got stuck in the "Must buy current generation" mindset!
 
csin82 said:
You have a good point - I guess I was thinking more about my situation and not the OP. If the price is right, a 3000-series would still be infinately better than no PC for a long while and give them an upgrade path to their desired CPU. If they don't have a GPU, Intel are of course a better option "right now" becasue at least the PC would have display although you wouldn't be doing any gaming until you could get a gfx card.

Sorry - I got stuck in the "Must buy current generation" mindset!
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Not a problem mate thanks for taking the time to reply
 
If you have your heart set on the AMD cpu and have to wait just get the mobo, axcheaper amd cpu to tide you over until supplies improve. No point getting an Intel cpu and board only to buy a new combo later when access to the Ryzen cpus become better. And I am running a 10700k in a Asus XII hero, I am wishing I had gone AMD just so I could upgrade to the newly released chips and pcie 4
 
Actual Reasons to purchase Intel over AMD

Avalability:
This will lessen over time but for now it's tough to get hold of a Zen 3 CPU

Memory Compatibility:
AMD have taken some considerable leaps in the last 2 years but memory compatibility is still much worse than any Intel system. Particularly the new Zen 3 CPU's there are reports that MSI and to a lesser extent Asus (apart from the "Dark") motherboards are having trouble with ram settings when using Zen 3. (i can confirm i had issues with the x570 TUF WIfI)

SSD Performance:
It is well known that AMD platforms have inferior SATA performance compared to Intel. This has been an ongoing issue since Zen was released and doesnt seem to be fixable by AMD at this time.

Platform Maturity:
X570 and B550 "may" have seen their last processor release with Zen 3, Zen3+ . Z490 is promised to support Intel 11th gen, Rocket Lake, so there is a potential upgrade path.

LGA vs PGA:
This is a bit of a stretch but my opinion is that LGA is superior to PGA. Mechanical stress can much more easily transmit through the plastic PGA socket when compared to the Metal LGA used by Intel. I've seen an over tightened heatsink cause memory channel issues. I would evidence that AMD use LGA for their server and workstation CPUs, where the larger socket size would likely preclude the use of PGA.


Yes i know there are strong reasons to purchase AMD (i have a Zen 3 chip) but that wasnt the question and i think that all of the above reasons are often completely ignored when there is at least some significance to each of them.

Edit: regarding platform maturity it has been pointed out to me that a Zen 3+ refresh may actually be planned for 2021
 
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I'd also consider the 10850k. Although looking at OCUK in particular the price has gone up. I manged to get mine for £400, but not the Avengers Edition (lol).

With the power limits disabled it runs its boost clock 24/7 and you can overclock the extra 100mhz to 10900k. With benchmarks like the Hardware Unboxed ones that also tested with the limits disabled, its on par with the 5950x overall at 1080p.

In terms of power and heat I'm using a Noctua DH15 and full load temperatures are 75c. Using something like Realbench for 8hrs and thats somewhere around 170w.

For me I was a bit impatient and also wanted a new system in time for Cyberpunk so availability weighed in heavily. The reality is especially a 1440p+ you are unlikely to notice a difference.
 
oldbanana said:
Well winter is here, if u need an extra heatsource, intel is a good choice.
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And Zen 3 runs just as hot ;)
Intel were the kings, they may have been de-throned but it doesn't suddeny make them a bad cpu. given Zen 3 availability issues, they are still the fastest gaming cpu's you can actually get hold of !
 
ToOo said:
Actual Reasons to purchase Intel over AMD

Avalability:
This will lessen over time but for now it's tough to get hold of a Zen 3 CPU

Memory Compatibility:
AMD have taken some considerable leaps in the last 2 years but memory compatibility is still much worse than any Intel system. Particularly the new Zen 3 CPU's there are reports that MSI and to a lesser extent Asus (apart from the "Dark") motherboards are having trouble with ram settings when using Zen 3. (i can confirm i had issues with the x570 TUF WIfI)

SSD Performance:
It is well known that AMD platforms have inferior SATA performance compared to Intel. This has been an ongoing issue since Zen was released and doesnt seem to be fixable by AMD at this time.

Platform Maturity:
X570 and B550 have seen their last processor release with Zen 3 so there is no upgrade path. Z490 is promised to support Intel 11th gen, Rocket Lake, so there is a potential upgrade path.

LGA vs PGA:
This is a bit of a stretch but my opinion is that LGA is superior to PGA. Mechanical stress can much more easily transmit through the plastic PGA socket when compared to the Metal LGA used by Intel. I've seen an over tightened heatsink cause memory channel issues. I would evidence that AMD use LGA for their server and workstation CPUs, where the larger socket size would likely preclude the use of PGA.


Yes i know there are strong reasons to purchase AMD (i have a Zen 3 chip) but that wasnt the question and i think that all of the above reasons are often completely ignored when there is at least some significance to each of them.
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Not quite true.

There is Zen3+ coming out later on AM4.
 
Vogon said:
And Zen 3 runs just as hot ;)
Intel were the kings, they may have been de-throned but it doesn't suddeny make them a bad cpu. given Zen 3 availability issues, they are still the fastest gaming cpu's you can actually get hold of !
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Intel produce a lot more heat than AMD.
 
tbh they both produce around the same temps.
you need a decent 280/360 aio.

for games its very hard to beat an OC'd 10900k/kf
no matter what the youtubers say hopefully we shall see some fair results soon clocked vs clocked.

frame chasers is waiting on his 5950x to go toe to toe with his 5.4ghz/cl17-4400ram/49cache in warzone.

also,
a lot of the chips currently are having a fair amount of a whea errors on zen3 when pushed at higher IF and mem. a couple of guys in my other group already corrupted their os.
intel just seems much more polished to me
 
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