But an all knowing god would know what you're going to do and yet he allows you to do so and condemn yourself regardless. What you believe makes everything predetermined and freewill an illusion anyway.
Also, you didn't answer my last question.
Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?
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But an all knowing god would know what you're going to do and yet he allows you to do so and condemn yourself regardless. What you believe makes everything predetermined and freewill an illusion anyway.
Also, you didn't answer my last question.
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Jason2, do you live in Austin, Texas by any chance?
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What are you talking about? Of course some people who claim to be Christians have done horrible things. They're just humans too. But they have acted in opposition to Christs teachings. Jesus himself said many who call him 'Lord' will not be entering heaven.
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Murderers and Rapists can get into heaven you know.
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Doesn't the bible encourage parents to stone disobedient children to death?
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The differance is that Dark Matter came about because scientists made an observation that the behaviour of the galaxy didn't fit our current understanding, the edge of the galaxy spins to fast considering the amount observable matter. Therefore they hypothesised that there is more matter that we can't see directly.
Now I can understand the argument you can make is how's that different from the "watch maker" arguement, however we have other theories and hypothesis of how many of these "complexities" can occur naturally with out a creator, and on top of that having a creator isn't that much different from having the universe occur spontaneously (at my level of understanding anyhow, I realise that there is more to this but I can't competantly use it to support my claims) as at the end of the day day it doesn't give a true beginning, where did the creator come from?
So up to here I'll give them a level standing for the sake of argument. However this is the important bit, scientists are testing various hypothesis to explain dark matter, for example:
http://xenon.astro.columbia.edu/ testing for WIMPs weakly interacting massive particles
http://icecube.wisc.edu/ testing for neutinos
also a relatively new idea, currently we don't have the technology to carry it out but if/when we do the results could be interesting, this is observing the behaviour of Eris and its moon to see if quantum fluctuations can explain dark matter:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729014.500-dwarf-planet-eris-may-reveal-quantum-gravity.html
How ever as far as I'm aware no one has carried out a credible experiment that has been replicated to test for a creator.
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Infact, I remember debating this at sunday school many years ago..
Murderers, Rapists, Pedophiles. Anybody! Can go to heaven. Think of the worst crime ever commited, and that person can gain access to heaven.
Now this is the hilarious part. You know what stops you going to heaven??
"he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"
hahaha, Yep.
Murderers, Rapists, Pedophiles. Anybody! Can go to heaven. Think of the worst crime ever commited, and that person can gain access to heaven.
Now this is the hilarious part. You know what stops you going to heaven??
"he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"
hahaha, Yep.
"he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"
hahaha, Yep.
God damn.
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Where have I ever said the universe cannot function without God? I am not a pantheist. We Christians believe God created the universe outside of space and time, and of course all matter. He set the laws that govern the universe. Science serves only to observe the laws that God has set.
So why don't you believe in evolution?
Based on your beliefs surely that could be a mechanism put into place by 'god'?
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So why cant you believe in evolution? Is it not possible god set the rules of evolution?
^ lol
^ lol
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Why do we need to be speacial?
Ninja edit: on to that I'd like to add, you are aware that we used to think the earth was the centre of the solar system but finding out we weren't didn't make us anyless speacial.
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You are thinking in the here and now. Species' don't magically change from one to another, it takes time and millions of generations. We have changed in appearance quite a bit in our short time on this rock already.
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Why does man have to be special in the first place? Humans being just another rung on the evolutionary ladder does not concern me in the least.
To borrow a quote - "Mankind is something to be surpassed." - Nietzche
If anything it's even more amazing than being plonked down and told to mate with your twin sister
Yep, we could. Which is what it boils down to, your need to be a special, unique little *********.
So you believe that god is imperfect? Because we sure aren't perfect, we have all sorts of superfluous organs and limbs. We're surpassed in almost every way by other animals.
So why make Gorillas stronger than us? Why give lungfish the ability to live both on land and in water? Why are cheetahs faster than we are?
We are not perfect or unique. Just relatively clever.
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That's what you believe.
Don't insult my intelligence by presuming to speak for me.
Prove it.