Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?

[kedge]

It's impossible to observe God........God is an assumption and not proven fact. So what makes your assumptions (which have far less substantiated supporting evidence) than that of pretty much everyone else with the obvious exceptions?

No man may see God and yet live - Exodus 33:20. I see Gods intelligent design in the awesome and incredible universe and the wonders within it like planet earth and life on it, it is highly complex and no man truly understands it nor probably ever will. God was and still is the first cause,the natural law of cause and effect support this, solid matter cannot create solid matter and only an immaterial cause like God could have created moons planets stars the universe. Life begets life nad God is that precursor, the law of biogenesis supports this. Just an example.

 

[kedge]

I know you do, but what is the evidence to support that belief?

The universe and life.

 

[The Running Man]

The universe and life.

That isn't really evidence of anything though is it? That you obserb a universe and life within it doesn't not automatically lead us that the only possible cause of humans on earth is a holy creator.

I am not against a creator - in principle. I am just not understanding why people think it is a holy creator and not a scientific one. A scientific creator makes much more sense than one in a religious sense, especially in the context of Christianity/Judaism etc.

However, having a creator who created the universe does not mean that abiogenesis and evolution do not and have not occurred. have you ever considered this?

 

[kedge]

transitional fossils.

Let me give you an example of what a transitional species should look like in evolutionary terms and there should be millions of them. Take Reptile to Bird transition, if this really did happen then there should be observable evidence in the fossil records of half a lizard and half a bird, but no true transitional species existed or exist, what one actually sees is fully formed species and that of their kinds.

 

[kedge]

However, having a creator who created the universe does not mean that abiogenesis and evolution do not and have not occurred. have you ever considered this?

Of course i have yes, this is just my belief system, just my opinion. Laws can govern our lives like the natural law of BIOGENESIS, biogenesis is proven using the scientific method and this law still stands, it has not benn refuted or replaced by any other means and abiogenesis is refuted by this law.

 

[RDM]

Let me give you an example of what a transitional species should look like in evolutionary terms and there should be millions of them. Take Reptile to Bird transition, if this really did happen then there should be observable evidence in the fossil records of half a lizard and half a bird, but no true transitional species existed or exist, what one actually sees is fully formed species and that of their kinds.

Reptiles didn't evolve into birds?

 

[Shayper]

Kedge, that point has been answered with the Crocoduck video.

I notice you are also starting to ignore questions and answers.

And that ringo has disappeared after being called out.

 

[The Running Man]

Let me give you an example of what a transitional species should look like in evolutionary terms and there should be millions of them. Take Reptile to Bird transition, if this really did happen then there should be observable evidence in the fossil records of half a lizard and half a bird, but no true transitional species existed or exist, what one actually sees is fully formed species and that of their kinds.

If we showed you this what would it prove, or disprove?

 

[Castiel]

No man may see God and yet live - Exodus 33:20. I see Gods intelligent design in the awesome and incredible universe and the wonders within it like planet earth and life on it, it is highly complex and no man truly understands it nor probably ever will. God was and still is the first cause,the natural law of cause and effect support this, solid matter cannot create solid matter and only an immaterial cause like God could have created moons planets stars the universe. Life begets life nad God is that precursor, the law of biogenesis supports this. Just an example.

So you haven't seen God's signature then....you are simply making personal assumptions based on a flawed and largely erroneous interpretation of scripture beyond its intent or design and then married that up to biogenesis while conveniently disregarding abiogenesis.

Can you prove to me that God created the Universe, in the same way and methodology as you are asking others to prove otherwise to you?

If you cannot then your opinion has no more weight that any other, in fact given the dearth of evidence that you rely upon to support your case you hold significantly less weight than those in opposition to you.

You might wish to listen to the words of one far more versed in the meaning of Genesis and Christian thought than either you or I.........

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion".

 

[kedge]

Holy creator.

I am not against a creator - in principle. I am just not understanding why people think it is a holy creator and not a scientific one. A scientific creator makes much more sense.

But this is exactly how i view God, to me God is the greatest scientists of all, it is God's mind that draws me closer to this incredible designer.

 

[Shayper]

But this is exactly how i view God, to me God is the greatest scientists of all, it is God's mind that draws me closer to this incredible designer.

Can you answer the last few questions I've put to you please?

 

[kedge]

Reptiles didn't evolve into birds?

I don't believe that but that is what evolutionary scientists have been saying for years.

 

[RDM]

I don't believe that but that is what evolutionary scientists have been saying for years.

Evolutionary science doesn't believe it either. You might possibly know this if you got your information about evolution from sources other than Creationist websites.

 

[kedge]

Crocoduck.

I will admit i have never seen one of those, but maybe that is just one of God's "mosaic" creatures like the duck-billed platypus, that still does not prove evolution, oh by the way what creature did the duck-billed platypus evolve from? and also what creature did the crocoduck evolve from? what were there common ancestor?

 

[The Running Man]

Of course i have yes, this is just my belief system, just my opinion. Laws can govern our lives like the natural law of BIOGENESIS, biogenesis is proven using the scientific method and this law still stands, it has not benn refuted or replaced by any other means and abiogenesis is refuted by this law.

No a creator has not been proven or disproven,

But evolution has been observed, and the misconceptions you keep quoting are already answered for you here

all you have to do is read, internalise and think abou this logically.

Your questions are perhaps the most commonly stated misconceptions,

MISCONCEPTION: Evolution results in progress; organisms are always getting better through evolution.

MISCONCEPTION: Evolution only occurs slowly and gradually.

MISCONCEPTION: Humans are not currently evolving.

MISCONCEPTION: Species are distinct natural entities, with a clear definition, that can be easily recognized by anyone.

its all documented here, with corrections. Don't take my word for it.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#a2

 

[kedge]

If we showed you this what would it prove, or disprove?

There should be thousands if not millions? but there are none that i know of. Some birds have fingers but they are still classified as birds.

 

[Shayper]

I will admit i have never seen one of those, but maybe that is just one of God's "mosaic" creatures like the duck-billed platypus, that still does not prove evolution, oh by the way what creature did the duck-billed platypus evolve from? and also what creature did the crocoduck evolve from? what were there common ancestor?

Are you actually serious?

The video shows that your point is a fallacy. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CROCODUCK, WHICH IS THE POINT I AM MAKING.

Please just go and read the thread. This is becoming extremely painful.

 

[kedge]

So you haven't seen God's signature then.Can you prove to me that God created the Universe, in the same way and methodology as you are asking others to prove otherwise to you?.

The natural laws prove it to me and the scientific method supports my worldview. I don't care for the augustine fellow, God is greater, imho.

I'm off for a cuppa and a bite to eat now, thanks for the chat.

 

[Shayper]

The natural laws prove it to me and the scientific method supports my worldview. I don't care for the augustine fellow, God is greater, imho.

I'm off for a cuppa and a bite to eat now, thanks for the chat.

When you are back, take the time to read all of the questions that you have been asked and respond to them. Doing otherwise lessens the reliability of your position.

 

[kedge]

Are you actually serious?

The video shows that your point is a fallacy. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CROCODUCK, WHICH IS THE POINT I AM MAKING.

Please just go and read the thread. This is becoming extremely painful.

Ah so it was just a trick to make folk look foolish, well happy is you i suppose. I noticed you didn't answer the question on the platypus, nor does any evolutionist know what the first life form on earth was etc etc.