Any religious people watch the Wonders of Life last night?

ringo747 said:
The Cambrian issue appears to be more against the common ancestry idea. Some argue that almost all of the phyla types known today were discovered in the fossil record. Before the Cambrian period you would have found things like algae or sponges, then all of a sudden all this complexity without any ancestral trace. Darwin was quoted as saying that "nature takes no leaps" yet the Cambrian shows the total opposite.
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You seem to be assuming Darwin has access to all of mankinds fossil discoveries and research and that all the fossils that are in the ground have already been found. He's been a little quiet on the subject for a while.

Nature does not take leaps, as Darwin has been quoted, but it does fill niches as and when they appear
 
How can a creature that is a complete product of chance become to understand the world it lives in? Can a sims character know he's a sim character?
 
ringo747 said:
Ok, let's say it was 20 million years as you suggested. Is this period of time enough to explain the rapid rise of all these completely new animal types with differing body architectures with no ancestral trace? Where does all the required DNA come from to build these new structures? Is all the information required supplied by DNA or is there some other means for providing instructions on how new cells, tissues, organs, body architectures develop?
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What is the theists viewpoint on how this happened?
 
deuse said:
So what you now know today is just a theory till the next lot of evidence comes along.
Everything will just be a theory unless you go back in time and find out the truth.
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See this is another thing religious types can't get their head around. They think only the person or source who claims gnostic knowledge of something is right.

The amount of times I've heard a scientist say something like "we don't know what happened before the big bang" and a theist respond with "Ha! You don't know" and then imply therefore the God explanation must be correct.

Deuse has also done the "only a theory" thing again. Firstly Google 'scientific theory' so you know what the word means (clue it's a lot stronger than you think) and then realise that the beauty of science (unlike religion) is that is doesn't claim to be infallible, we work with the best information we have at any given time. If new information comes along then the theory is updated and re-tested.

I don't know why you think that utterly rational and sensible way of discerning truth is somehow a negative.
 
Jason2 said:
How can a creature that is a complete product of chance become to understand the world it lives in? Can a sims character know he's a sim character?
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How can someone who believes in a creator controlling their life come to understand the world they live in?

If you give a Sim character free will, they can't look after themselves.
 
d_brennen said:
You seem to be assuming Darwin has access to all of mankinds fossil discoveries and research and that all the fossils that are in the ground have already been found. He's been a little quiet on the subject for a while.

Nature does not take leaps, as Darwin has been quoted, but it does fill niches as and when they appear
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I was under the impression that Darwin knew that the fossil records he had available didn't go in his favour.
 
deuse said:
You have Belief in what you know and will know..and you have Faith in the findings when you tell other people. :D
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Not really. I make up my own decisions based on the available evidence. I don't have faith that science explains everything, I accept that it is fallible.

Show me where I have faith or belief.

Jason2 said:
Controlling?
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He's telling you how to live your life. Controlling is definitely the word.
 
Can we suspend this thread until everyone goes and reads something nice and easy, yet informative (say, Climbing Mount Improbable), then at least all the mud slinging can take place in a framework whereby everyone actually understands what is meant by some of the key terms, like 'evolution'.
 
ringo747 said:
Ok, let's say it was 20 million years as you suggested. Is this period of time enough to explain the rapid rise of all these completely new animal types with differing body architectures with no ancestral trace? Where does all the required DNA come from to build these new structures? Is all the information required supplied by DNA or is there some other means for providing instructions on how new cells, tissues, organs, body architectures develop?
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You got that wrong as. Well you haven't read the link have you?
They didnt just spring up. That period was proceeded by other periods.

So yes it is enough time, once you look at it in a bigger picture and again it did not give rise to most body types. It is not the only period of increased diversity either.
 
Jason2 said:
So you would agree you're a slave?
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Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, this life
Trying to make ends meet
You're a slave to money then you die
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
You know the one that takes you to the places
where all the veins meet yeah

No change, I can't change
I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mind
I am here in my mind
But I'm a million different people
from one day to the next
I can't change my mind
No, no, no, no, no, no, no,no,no,no,no,no(fading away)

Well I never pray
But tonight I'm on my knees yeah
I need to hear some sounds that recognize the pain in me, yeah
I let the melody shine, let it cleanse my mind, I feel free now
But the airways are clean and there's nobody singing to me now

No change, I can't change
I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mind
I am here in my mind
And I'm a million different people
from one day to the next
I can't change my mind
No, no, no, no, no, no, no
I can't change
I can't change it

'Cause it's a bittersweet symphony, this life
Trying to make ends meet
Trying to find some money then you die
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
You know the one that takes you to the places
where all the veins meet yeah

You know I can't change, I can't change
I can't change, I can't change
But I'm here in my mind
I am here in my mind
And I'm a million different people
from one day to the next
I can't change my mind
No, no, no, no, no

I can't change my mind
no, no, no, no, no,
I can't change
Can't change my body,
no, no, no

I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down
Been down
Ever been down
Ever been down
Ever been down
Ever been down
That you've ever been down
That you've ever been down
 
The Running Man said:
What is the theists viewpoint on how this happened?
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God did it and he works in mysterious ways so we don't need to worry about it... or something like that.

It would be nice if one of the creationists here could come up with a theory that is supported by the evidience because Genesis doesn't account for the fossil record, the evolution of species since the Cambrian period, or the fact that man has existed for such a short period of time compared to life on earth.
 
Glaucus said:
You got that wrong as. Well you haven't read the link have you?
They didnt just spring up. That period was proceeded by other periods.

So yes it is enough time, once you look at it in a bigger picture and again it did not give rise to most body types. It is not the only period of increased diversity either.
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Rather than just call me a liar each could you add your own explanation rather than linking me to one website? After all, you accused me of posting from some website yourself.

Do you not have answers to the requirement for all the genetic information to control these new creations?
 
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