Any Vegetarian Food Plans?

[Delvis]

Yes I eat fats, but as part of whole foods and I don't eat overt fats. So do you think it's fat that makes me fat or sugar? I'll ask again "fat" or sugar that makes me fat? That's FAT or sugar that makes me FAT?

What? Fats alone do not make you fat, neither does Sugar or anything else for that matter.

You don't see anyone getting fat eating fruits and vege do you? How many people are saying that whole foods are unhealthy? Nobody! Nobody is getting fat eating fruit and vege because they are all low fat!

That's generaly because they aren't eating in a massive surplus. Or they do next to zero activity.

But I'm not malnourished, humans are meant to be skinny lean like greyhounds. My BMI Is bang in the middle!

If you know BMI is pretty much turd then why reference it?

I don't have SWOLE legs because I don't eat high fat/protein and lift weights. Food doesn't give you muscle, otherwise bodybuilders would spend all day in the kitchen not the gym.

What...So just going to the gym builds muscle does it? Did you really pretty much just say that?

 

[tom_e]

I don't have SWOLE legs because I don't eat high fat/protein and lift weights. Food doesn't give you muscle, otherwise bodybuilders would spend all day in the kitchen not the gym.

Lawd did you really just say that!? Time spent in the gym is a tiny proportion compared to time spent on rest and nutrition.

 

[Freefaller]

Food is what give you muscle it's the recovery of the exercise that helps you grow. Without food you won't grow.

 

[reiyushin]

Spoiler

If you wanna lose fat just cut it out the diet, the fat you eat is the fat you wear. Cut out all the oily sauces, dressings and condiments. You can't get fat eating fruits and vegetables.

Put it in spoilers because it's so horribly wrong.

 

[JoeF1]

Not posted or been in sports arena in year's.... Just wanted to add to this thread.


Loool

~This.

 

[reiyushin]

To the OP, I'll echo that 800 calories is not enough....you'll find your body will drop muscle mass which will lower your weight but you'll keep the "skinny fat" look.

You need to get your metabolism up and running with some resistance exercise. Bodyweight is completely fine (a decent kickboxing gym will cover this), your goal here is to remind your body that it needs the muscle and force it into burning fat via a small calorie deficit.

So put your stats into a daily energy expenditure calculator and see what you need each day to maintain your body mass, aim for a small reduction on that.


A rule of thumb is a 500 calorie deficit per day equates to just under 1lb drop in BW per week which is seen in most circles as sustainable.
But your best bet is to start with a slightly smaller deficit so that you have somewhere to turn to next without dropping your calories so low that your metabolism drops.

After you've worked out your target calories you need to pick macros that suit your goals. Aim for 30/50/20 protein - carbs - fat (sadly I can't guarantee these will suit you but they have worked well for me and the bulk of my clients)
Macros in mind start planning your meals, if you go over a given macro in a meal then try balance it out over the course of the day/week.

You could google some cookie cutter templates for meal plans but I do find people have the most sucess when they simply alter their preferred foods to suit their plan.

Good luck

 

[SkodaMart]

A rule of thumb is a 500 calorie deficit per day equates to just under 1lb drop in BW per week which is seen in most circles as sustainable.
But your best bet is to start with a slightly smaller deficit so that you have somewhere to turn to next without dropping your calories so low that your metabolism drops.

I know where Nate is coming from.
Don't get me wrong, hi carb 'raw' diet is not an overnight solution however it is working for me.
I eat as much as I feel like until I'm full, there is no calorie watching at all.
I have lost 'fat' off my waist, my trousers are loose (which is going to cost me a fortune in new pairs).
I feel great.
So I KNOW what conventional wisdom says regarding nutrition, but I for one am willing to stick my neck out and say a lot of what we are being told is wrong.
At the end of the day, you can't argue with results, I'm not starving myself and feel better than I have in years.
It isn't an overnight fix however, and will take months before you start to see and feel the benefits.

 

[SkodaMart]

Not just that, I'm not getting into the Greenpeace flag waving stuff, but it is nice to know that you have eaten without an animal giving its life to do so.

Each to their own I guess.

 

[Somnambulist]

Regarding dietary fat, yes it is stored with like 99.7% efficiency, but fat cells aren't prison cells and energy goes in and out of them all the time. The low-carb high-fat/keto crowd also claims their diet is the best for weight loss and that they don't have to track what they eat either... they're also a barmy lot.

Also lol@Freelee 'thinning hair, bragging about loss of menstrual cycle and gaunt appearance!' The Banana Girl. You can't cheat physics.

 

[SkodaMart]

Also lol@Freelee 'thinning hair, bragging about loss of menstrual cycle and gaunt appearance!' The Banana Girl. You can't cheat physics.

Both of them are attention whores.
That's how they earn a living.
It's a lot easier than going to work 9 til 5 for sure.

Many of Freelees video titles are just trolling to make you watch them.
I will be honest, she isn't my cup of tea at all, but I think they do make some valid points.

 

[SkodaMart]

If it's stupid and it works....

it ain't stupid.

For me it's working.

 

[Nate Silvers]

What? Fats alone do not make you fat, neither does Sugar or anything else for that matter.

That's generaly because they aren't eating in a massive surplus. Or they do next to zero activity.
If you know BMI is pretty much turd then why reference it?

What...So just going to the gym builds muscle does it? Did you really pretty much just say that?

If fats don't make you fat then how come I can eat as many calories as I want as long as I keep the fat low whilst my overweight family members struggle calorie restricting but don't eat low fat?

Because it's not completely turd, it can prove someone anorexic or obese, both forms of malnutrition. I was skinny as a rake when I was sat on my butt for all of 2012 and most of 2014.

Food is what give you muscle it's the recovery of the exercise that helps you grow. Without food you won't grow.

Yep but more importantly without lifting weights you won't grow either. What I meant is there is no "muscle building" foods. You can't build muscle on food alone. Just as a point you can build muscle lifting weights and eating romaine lettuce if you could handle 50 heads a day. That's why I don't have much muscle compared to people here who lift weights. That's why I can also link up bodybuilders on this diet bigger than you.

Regarding dietary fat, yes it is stored with like 99.7% efficiency, but fat cells aren't prison cells and energy goes in and out of them all the time. The low-carb high-fat/keto crowd also claims their diet is the best for weight loss and that they don't have to track what they eat either... they're also a barmy lot.

Also lol@Freelee 'thinning hair, bragging about loss of menstrual cycle and gaunt appearance!' The Banana Girl. You can't cheat physics.

Straight up McDougall style.

Fats and oils function as the “metabolic dollar” saved for times of famine (which has not been experienced in my lifetime). Fats and oils are present in the right chemical forms (chains of fatty acids), ready for almost effortlessly storage in your body’s fat (adipose) tissues: they go straight from the lips to the hips! The transfer is so simple that the fat’s original chemical structure remains unaltered. For example, people who regularly eat fish have lots of omega-3 fats stored in their body fat and those eating margarines store loads of trans fats. Additionally, the fats and oils people consume are excreted onto their skin, resulting in oily skin, acne, and blackheads. Only small amounts of dietary fat are used for daily energy needs.

Ugh the paleo diet is the SAME as every other diet on the planet, they do calorie restrict. The only unique diet is vegan because it's the only diet that doesn't contain animal products. The rest are the same diets just slightly different, all lead to the same diseases!

This is the worst pose to hide fat. 4000 calories a day.

There shouldn't even be any diets or supplements or rules. It's as simple as eating fresh, raw, ripe, organic whole foods to thrive. It's what the other primates do.

 

[spoffle]

Other primates eat meat...

 

[Nate Silvers]

No. Our closest primates the chimpanzee, the bonobo's eat fruit.

Tonight's meal. 2KG sweet potato. This plate is about to break. 1800 cals easy.





This is a usual breakfast for me.



Around 20 bananas, 2000 cals.

 

[Nate Silvers]

I missed some Freefaller's replies.

Look. There is nothing wrong with vegan/vegetarianism so long as you're clear you need to be really aware of your diet. Pulses and those sort of foods contain fats and protein as does avocado and similar veg/fruits. However you're not spoilt for choice in terms of calorie density. When I gave up meat for lent I was having to eat huge amounts to make up calories and macros. But I'm a relatively big guy (twice the size of Nate and 3x more active) but I still wasn't eating 4k calories a day.

It is possible to eat healthily without meat (so long as you are well educated on nutritional requirements) but why lie about eating 2-3x the national average for a small human being? Just be honest and stop trolling with ridiculous statements and contradictions. You're attention seeking plain and simple.

Really aware? Nah man, just eat whatever you want as long as it's fruit/starch. You CAN actually get away eating more unhealthy junk treats on this diet because the total fat every day is so low a tub of ice cream with 10G per 100G of fat is not a problem, you just won't feel "that" healthy. Like not getting enough vitamin D, yeah you can be healthy but not feel amazing.

Pulses are mostly protein and carbs. Lentils are almost 50/50 ratio carbs to protein. They aren't really very healthy anyways they are so hard to digest they mostly ferment in the body. More you eat more you fart! I'd rather eat fruit and skip digestion altogether and go straight to absorption. I never eat pulses unless my mum offers me lentil pie.

Avocado yeah, no more than 1 a week. You are complaining about getting to eat huge amounts of food? Do you not like eating food then? I can eat some mango. You're just not used to the volume and I bet you weren't eating mostly fruit which are high in calorie and macros.

I'm not lying though, if I uploaded a video of what I eat in a day what would you say then? It'd just be another excuse. You'd probs say the bananas were hallowed out.

I'm not in the dark ages I am constantly keeping up to date with nutrition as it is a passion of mine.

Give me your sources of protein and fat then I'd be interested.

Comparing orange juice to olive oil is a misnomer..

You think the WHO's macro balance is correct? Open your eyes dude you're deluded and a sheep following ridiculous governmental rhetoric.

Sorry mate but you're reading all the wrong stuff looking in the wrong places. You're not going to take any vegan advice because you think pulses = protein. Why are you even worried about protein? It takes care of itself by eating enough calories. Tonight's meal gives me 45G of protein with ALL essential aminos. The more you eat the more nutrition you get! Stop worrying about protein and fat. Just clock in 4000 cals of fruits on chronometer, any fruits you want and you'll see you get enough.

So you think because you pressed the olive oil yourself it's not refined?

So if I go against the grain I'm a wacko and if I mention the governments recommendation I'm a sheep? I don't think I'm a sheep otherwise there would be more than 1 person agreeing with me in this thread. Unfortunately the rest still think it's insane to eat 30 bananas.

He died from a head injury.

Sorry I meant he developed cardiomyopathy, maybe he just got unlucky but I doubt I'll ever get that as it's related to fat consumption. I just assumed he died from it my bad.

I do eat at least double that amount of veg in a day.

I follow the diet of my roots which are Mediterranean. So lots of fruits and veg with fish and meat. Very little refined foods as generally I'm a bit of a snob but my diet is hugely balanced and varied.

As I said and I repeat there's no problems being vegetarian or vegan just don't try to BS your way to convincing others.

Why does it make you a snob to avoid junk? I'd say you're smart. I might eat a plate of potatos and you will think it's not balanced but I get balance through the weeks and months not the days. Simplicity at meal time, like every other animal.

It's not BS though is it, I DO eat a ton of calories and I AM skinny. What part is BS? The part that goes against your bad habits?

 

[spoffle]

Bonobos and Chimpanzees eat meat...

People are saying your claim that you eat the amount of food that you've said is what's BS.

 

[FrenchTart]

Every time there's a new reply from Nate I feel my IQ being drained that tiny bit more.

 

[Delvis]

If fats don't make you fat then how come I can eat as many calories as I want as long as I keep the fat low whilst my overweight family members struggle calorie restricting but don't eat low fat?

Because fat is high in calories, it's not that hard to comprehend.

Your family is struggling with calorie restricting because apparently they are doing it completely wrong.

Also

Around 20 bananas

'Around' 20 bananas isn't 20 bananas.

 

[Nate Silvers]

LOL fat is high in calories so what? I can eat 5000 cals a day and I'm skinny so obviously calories isn't the problem.

So? Around 20 bananas is 18-22 bananas, it depends how big they are.

Today's breakfast mango's. 15 for £5 from local fruit market, this **** is cheap! Very good quality.

 

[Delvis]

It's a different food source, that and as has been said people react differently to foods, for instance someone who is obese can 'theoretically' absorb more calories than someone like yourself due to various factors.

On top of that, even if you are eating 4000 calories worth of bananas (I know you haven't explicitly stated this) it doesn't necessarily mean your body is processing 4000 calories worth of food.