anybody else cant watch tv with sign language

norm said:
No it's not the same, but they may rely on signing to help follow the vocals.

Who honestly cares. Signing is only normally on programs scheduled during the night/early morning anyway.
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It's not really a problem, but I would like to understand how they can appreciate it, I fully accept I'm probably wrong. But just saying they can, doesn't explain how they can.
 
deuse said:
@ScarySquirrel

you said " How can someone who is deaf like music? "
i posted on page one

hard of hearing and deaf people are( drum roll)

Pete Townshend of the WHO

Ludwig van Beethoven

Gabriel Urbain Fauré

Evelyn Glennie

just a few....

now do you get it ??
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No because I have no idea who that is. I guess I am just uneducated and stupid.
 
ScarySquirrel said:
What the hell is with the :rolleyes:?

How can someone who is deaf like music?
Maybe they can feel the bass if loud enough at the most.
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It's the same thing as saying 'how can a blind person enjoy a walk in the alps'

They enjoy it on a different level, bass is very important yes, but so are the lyrics.

Don't be so ignorant. Oh and have some more :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
This is how I believe deaf people enjoy music although I'm not sure it can be proven 100% (Well not yet anyway),


Science Daily — CHICAGO (Nov. 27) -- Deaf people sense vibration in the part of the brain that other people use for hearing which helps explain how deaf musicians can sense music, and how deaf people can enjoy concerts and other musical events. "These findings suggest that the experience deaf people have when 'feeling' music is similar to the experience other people have when hearing music. The perception of the musical vibrations by the deaf is likely every bit as real as the equivalent sounds, since they are ultimately processed in the same part of the brain," says Dr. Dean Shibata, assistant professor of radiology at the University of Washington

Shibata presented his findings at the 87th Scientific Assembly and Annual Meeting of the Radiological Society of North America (RSNA) here the week of Nov. 26.

"The brain is incredibly adaptable. In someone who is deaf, the young brain takes advantage of valuable real estate in the brain by processing vibrations in the part of the brain that would otherwise be used to process sound," Shibata says.

Shibata performed the research while on the faculty at the University of Rochester School of Medicine in New York. The deaf students in the study came from the National Technical Institute of the Deaf at the Rochester Institute of Technology. Shibata used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to compare brain activity between 10 volunteers from the college and 11 volunteers with normal hearing. They agreed to let Shibata scan their brains while subjected to intermittent vibrations on their hands.

Both groups showed brain activity in the part of the brain that normally processes vibrations. But in addition, the deaf students showed brain activity in a golf ball-sized area, the auditory cortex, otherwise usually only active during auditory stimulation. The people with normal hearing did not show such brain activity.

"These findings illustrate how altered experience can affect brain organization. It was once thought that brains were just hard-wired at birth, and particular areas of the brain always did one function, no matter what else happened. It turns out that, fortunately, our genes do not directly dictate the wiring of our brains. Our genes do provide a developmental strategy all the parts of the brain will be used to maximal efficiency," Shibata says.

The findings may explain how deaf people can enjoy music and how some become performers. Shibata uses an example from the National Technical Institute of the Deaf in Rochester, a college where musical productions are an important part of the deaf culture. Audience members attending musicals are provided with balloons which they can hold on their fingertips in order to "feel" the musical vibrations.

"Vibrational information has essentially the same features as sound information so it makes sense that in the deaf, one modality may replace the other modality in the same processing area of the brain. It's the nature of the information, not the modality of the information, that seems to be important to the developing brain."

Neurosurgeons should be aware of the findings before performing surgery on a deaf patient; in particular, a surgeon should be careful while operating around a deaf person's auditory cortex, since it clearly does have a function, Shibata says.

In addition, Shibata says, the research is important because it suggests that it may be helpful to expose deaf children to music early in life so that their brain "music centers" may have the stimulus to develop. Similarly, tactile devices have been made to help convert speech sounds to vibrations in order to assist in communication. It might be helpful to expose young children to these devices early while their brains are still developing, rather than later, he says.

The findings are compatible with Shibata's previous research into the flexibility and adaptability of the brain in deaf people. Last summer, Shibata published a paper in which he and colleagues showed that portions of the temporal lobe usually involved in auditory processing are much more active during certain visual tasks in deaf people.

Shibata performed his research using the same sort of MRI scanner that he uses clinically to study the brains of his patients at the University of Washington. However, with fMRI scans, the machine measures blood flow in the brain, and "lights up" to show what parts of the brain are active. The fMRI is still largely a research tool, but shows promise in helping to localize vital areas of the brain before surgery and is sometimes performed on patients at UW Medical Center.
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1. It's on late at night because there won't be nearly as many viewers at that time, so that people don't get annoyed by it.

2. They have them on music channels because they can get the lyrics and the beat and rhythm from the signs and the way the person dances around.

3. As stated before, if they've been deaf since birth, then no they won't necessarily understand conversational English.

I do agree that there should be an option to turn it on and off, with all this interactive stuff nowadays though.
 
PaulStat said:
It's the same thing as saying 'how can a blind person enjoy a walk in the alps'

They enjoy it on a different level, bass is very important yes, but so are the lyrics.

Don't be so ignorant. Oh and have some more :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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No, it isn't the same, it is completely different.

I was asking a sodding question. No need to start calling me ignorant. Not everyone can know all there is to know in the world. I asked "How can someone who is deaf life music?" so I am clearly willing to find out. :rolleyes:


lowrider007 said:
This is how I believe deaf people enjoy music although I'm not sure it can be proven 100% (Well not yet anyway),
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Thank you, a useful post that actually explained my query rather than just calling me ignorant.
 
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Mat said:
The automatic subtitles from teletext can be quite amusing at times.
The accuracy has a lot to be desired and hilarity often ensues.
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Do they use an automatic recognition system for that now? In my younger days, I remember Live & Kicking showed you one of the people who does the typing for subtitles on live programmes (such as L&K itself), and they're ridiculously quick. Obviously you get a few errors here and there, but for the most part it was quite accurate.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Is there any deaf people on here, who can enlighten me?
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I'm profoundly deaf myself and I use subtitles regularly. Believe it or not, I do not like having a interpreter on screen! :) Subtitles is much easier on eyes and less distraction for me.

However, there are many deaf people who prefer to watch tv with interpreter on screen, simply because they do not have a proper understanding of English. If they do, I think they would choose subtitles over interpreter.

The real problem is the education for the deaf, believe it or not, it's an embarrassment, it's such a joke that my older sisters had to teach me some English when I was growing up.

Education system for the deaf is really, really bad. Many of my friends who left school with just only one GCSE, that is Art & Designs! Thats how bad it was and still is!

If we were given a proper education as normal people get, I don't think there will be as much interpreter on tv as it is.

For music, many of my friends do listen to the music with their hearing aids and do not bother watching interpreter because it's the music/bass they're interested to hear/feel. Hope this helps
 
christ, be thankful none of you are handicapped!

I'm partially deaf, and although I don't need the signs they don't annoy me in the slightest cause one day I might need them.
 
barnettgs said:
I'm profoundly deaf myself and I use subtitles regularly. Believe it or not, I do not like having a interpreter on screen! :) Subtitles is much easier on eyes and less distraction for me.

However, there are many deaf people who prefer to watch tv with interpreter on screen, simply because they do not have a proper understanding of English. If they do, I think they would choose subtitles over interpreter.

The real problem is the education for the deaf, believe it or not, it's an embarrassment, it's such a joke that my older sisters had to teach me some English when I was growing up.

Education system for the deaf is really, really bad. Many of my friends who left school with just only one GCSE, that is Art & Designs! Thats how bad it was and still is!

If we were given a proper education as normal people get, I don't think there will be as much interpreter on tv as it is.

For music, many of my friends do listen to the music with their hearing aids and do not bother watching interpreter because it's the music/bass they're interested to hear/feel. Hope this helps
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i bet you went to mary hare? :)
 
wesley said:
i bet you went to mary hare? :)
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Not really, I live in N Ireland but I went to Burwood Park School in Walton-on-Thamas and I stayed there for only one year as I was home-sick big time. It was pretty good school but not that many deaf people go to good school.

Back to Northern Ireland, I was appalled at the education the deaf people were receiving.
 
barnettgs said:
Not really, I live in N Ireland but I went to Burwood Park School in Walton-on-Thamas and I stayed there for only one year as I was home-sick big time. It was pretty good school but not that many deaf people go to good school.

Back to Northern Ireland, I was appalled at the education the deaf people were receiving.
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aye i know burwood park school, visited there once, mum decided i need some girls in my young age so sent me to mary hare instead ;)
 
Doesn't really bother me one bit, yeah it can be a little distracting but I can cope with that safe in the knowledge that someone far less fortunate than me is enjoying themselves.
I cannot even begin to imagine how horrible it must be too be deaf or blind and I think that people that get angry and vexed by something as pathetic as this are very selfish & self centred individuals and completely soulless imho:mad:
Remember you can still watch and enjoy the program even with signing yet for many deaf people this is impossible without signing!!!
 
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