Anyone disappointed with AM5 X870 boards?
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AMD are clearly expecting that some will buy an (expensive) x870 board thinking it should be a more universal upgrade over a x670 board when, in some ways that matter, it may actually be inferior on a price matched basis.
AMD continue to disappoint by not taking up the clear opportunity to be the more 'honest' tech company to set themselves apart from Nvidia and Intel.
Well I ordered, installed and updated the asrock 870 steel legend. It lasted 3 days then just died….. no sign of life at all, no known reason for the death. I’ve checked the psu, power socket and peripherals all is working except the motherboard (can’t check cpu or ram as this was a new build). Now I’m just waiting for OC to come back to my faulty request
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That's a shame but it does happen sometimes. You can get something DOA, or you can get a headless chicken that will still run around for a day or two. OC will sort you out.
But the short term profit. The money, think about the money. The dividends, the shareholders. Won't somebody think about the shareholders?! They can make money now! People will buy it anyway!
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Would like to see mATX boards with gen 5 on the PCIe and primary M.2 this time around.
Would also like to see CAMM2 on some AMD boards.
Would also like to see CAMM2 on some AMD boards.
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I thought I recognised the name, I read your discussion on the ASRock reddit page.
Looks like you had a positive outcome on the motherboard >> https://www.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1g6tqi3/x870_wifi_steel_legend_died_after_3_days/
Is this still the best bang for buck mobo? Also does anybody know the release date?
For the X870E I believe it is, a solid X870 non E is the tomahawk which is around £60 cheaper.
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O dono if I would buy another asus motherboard after the probl3ms my hero 690 has give like ram slots not working cant even use dual channel on this board and I'm not the only one with this issue ..
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Seems like a repeat of the first gen 300 to 400. It was a rebrand, there was no real reason to upgrade.
Some boards could even be reflashed to the new version using the new chipset. E.g. X370 Taichi to X470 Taichi.
I don't think there has ever been a need for the 'E' board designation.
Some boards could even be reflashed to the new version using the new chipset. E.g. X370 Taichi to X470 Taichi.
I don't think there has ever been a need for the 'E' board designation.
Yea it’s over complicated, AMD should have just named X870E as X870 and X870 to B850 and left it at that. No reason to have had more than 2 tiers of boards other than to artificially lock features and price gouge.
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Yeah, I do think it's to create more segmentation and therefore more expensive board tiers.
Motherboards and graphics cards have really started to become like cars. There is an incrementally better part at an incrementally higher price point, with the increments getting larger near the top whilst the betterment of the part diminishes proportionally to how much more expensive it is. Besides the mega premium for the flagship, of course.
I like having nice new shiny things, but you have a point. 18 months on from buying my Asus X670E Hero and I have yet to plug a PCIE-5 device into it, and almost certainly won't notice the difference when I do!
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I've been looking into converting my old PC into a server/NAS and it makes me realise how bad the connectivity on modern motherboards is (especially for building server/NAS). It's crazy to see my current B650E-E has half the number of SATA ports of the old Z97X board, while costing almost 2-3 times as much. Only a handful of B650 boards go above 4 SATA, only a handful of halo tier X670E get to 8 and shockingly X870 is worse, with all boards having 4 except for the X870E Taichi. Even the server grade boards are mostly limited to 4 SATA, outside of the odd exception to 6. Sure most of us are using M.2 for regular home builds, but it does mean that for servers and mass storage (for RAID/ZFS etc), PCIe SATA and ethernet expansion cards are a neccessity now. I also can't remember the last recent board with dual BIOS. Admittedly 2.5G ethernet is now standard, with many boards having better. That MSI Tomahawk is not too shabby with even 5G. And ECC support is more common.
PCIe is also not great, outside of the super expensive boards, it's rare to find a second slot that runs at x8. Also somewhat rare, but not strictly necessary is a second PCIe5 slot, I think the B650E-E is the only single chipset board that has another PCIe5. I guess the only impact is if needing to plug in a PCIe5 expansion card while having a GPU in the main slot, since most of the currently available PCIe5 stuff is non-GPU. Having a 3rd slot at x4 is also now rare outside of the pricier boards. I won't knock them down for the reduction in excessive PCIe x1 slots though, on the older boards most of the extra x1 were less useful PCIe2, so no big loss. Admittedly, some of the reduction in PCIe slots is due to an increased number of M.2 slots and there are some M.2 adaptors for things like ethernet or SATA, even if those are rare. But given how PCIe bandwidth works, surely it should have been possible to have older gen PCIe with more lanes, as opposed to newer gen PCIe with fewer lanes. Would be useful for 10G network cards, SATA expansion cards (to make up for the reduction in SATA ports) and other bits.
It's a shame that the variety has died down and most boards tend to follow the same trends for the same use-cases. Makes it difficult for folks wanting to do other things on these platforms.
PCIe is also not great, outside of the super expensive boards, it's rare to find a second slot that runs at x8. Also somewhat rare, but not strictly necessary is a second PCIe5 slot, I think the B650E-E is the only single chipset board that has another PCIe5. I guess the only impact is if needing to plug in a PCIe5 expansion card while having a GPU in the main slot, since most of the currently available PCIe5 stuff is non-GPU. Having a 3rd slot at x4 is also now rare outside of the pricier boards. I won't knock them down for the reduction in excessive PCIe x1 slots though, on the older boards most of the extra x1 were less useful PCIe2, so no big loss. Admittedly, some of the reduction in PCIe slots is due to an increased number of M.2 slots and there are some M.2 adaptors for things like ethernet or SATA, even if those are rare. But given how PCIe bandwidth works, surely it should have been possible to have older gen PCIe with more lanes, as opposed to newer gen PCIe with fewer lanes. Would be useful for 10G network cards, SATA expansion cards (to make up for the reduction in SATA ports) and other bits.
It's a shame that the variety has died down and most boards tend to follow the same trends for the same use-cases. Makes it difficult for folks wanting to do other things on these platforms.
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I was originally looking at the MSI B650 Tomahawk for my next build but the X870 Tomahawk adds:
- Higher quality 8 layer PCB instead of 6.
- A debug post code.
- Clear CMOS button on back panel.
- An additional M2 socket.
- PCIE 5.0 for the GPU and two of the M.2 slots.
- 5GB LAN instead of 2.5GB.
- A completely redesigned BIOS interface.
- Support for more/faster memory.
- Support for 9000 series out of the box.
- WiFi 7
- USB 4.0
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