Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 15:32

Gfx cards are throw away...Monitors are a long term investment...

I'm hoping at least 4 years service maybe more from my x34

Silent_Scone · 12 Nov 2016 at 15:37

easyrider said:
3440 x 1440p at 60hz locked with a 1070 is better than 1080p ghosting fest on the z35

The sweet spot is 3440x 1440 p at 100hz Gsync

My single Gtx 1080 pushes 100fps without issue at this res...

Also in windows and applications 34 inc 1080p would suck !

You wouldn't get a solid 100fps target in BF1 with all settings cranked at that res on a 1080GTX. I can tell you that for certain.

I can, though.

The opening line of that post, tongue smiley or not just tells me you have no idea what you're talking about. Best of luck with your ideals. For the record I've owned an X34.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 15:42

Silent_Scone said:
You wouldn't get a solid 100fps target in BF1 with all settings cranked at that res on a 1080GTX. I can tell you that for certain.

I can, though.

The opening line of that post, tongue smiley or not just tells me you have no idea what you're talking about. Best of luck with your ideals. For the record I've owned an X34.

I've seen 34 inch 1080p and it looked terrible both in windows and games compared to 2k Superwide....it looked retro and old...

each to their own I guess...

bru · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:00

NVidia release pricing.

460 $229
560 $199
660 $230
760 $249
960 $199
1060 3GB $199
1060 6GB $249

470 $349
570 $349
670 $400
770 $399
970 $329
1070 $379

480 $499
580 $499
680 $500
780 $649
980 $549
1080 $599

So as you can see there hasn't really been any massive jacking up of prices this round at all.

tommybhoy · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:08

480 and 580 were Titan class.

Silent_Scone · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:16

easyrider said:
I've seen 34 inch 1080p and it looked terrible both in windows and games compared to 2k Superwide....it looked retro and old...

each to their own I guess...

There are benefits to both. The Z35 paired with a TX is great for latency. It also doesn't look terrible, if it did - I think you'd find reviews would reflect that. You don't have to justify your purchase, but saying 60hz 3440 21:9 is better than having a higher refresh is just fishing to get put down.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:19

Silent_Scone said:
There are benefits to both. The Z35 paired with a TX is great for latency. It also doesn't look terrible, if it did - I think you'd find reviews would reflect that. You don't have to justify your purchase, but saying 60hz 3440 21:9 is better than having a higher refresh is just fishing to get put down.

I'm not saying just higher refresh...what I'm saying is I would rather have a 34inch 3440x 1440 IPS screen at 60hz over a 34 inch 1080 VA screen at 144hz.

~>Dg<~ · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:23

LoadsaMoney said:
Lets say when the 970 came out, it was only £50, now the 980Ti was around £550-£600 when it came out, and the 1070 is around that £550-£600 980Ti performance, and has 2GB more memory, but because the 970 was only £50, the 1070, can't be anymore than that, you just couldn't make it up!

what are you waffling about.

when the 970 was released it was close to the titan performance of the time.how much was that titan card ?

so the 1070 is dropping into the 970s place. doing very similar with the older titan.

its the exact same scenario except they gouging and charging more than it should be.

so its irrelevant you meant its 980ti performance when the 970 did exactly the same with the old titan on release yet was under 300.

a 1070 is 100-150 too expensive.you can argue or debate we all know it.

if people think in a years time a 1070 is gunna be 250 quid 2nd hand ill take that bet. look at 980 tis . 200-250 now second hand.in a year time 100-150.would you pay 250 for a 1070 in one years time ? no. not 2nd hand.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:25

~>Dg<~ said:
what are you waffling about.

when the 970 was released it was close to the titan performance of the time.how much was that titan card ?

so the 1070 is dropping into the 970s place. doing very similar with the older titan.

its the exact same scenario except they gouging and charging more than it should be.

so its irrelevant you meant its 980ti performance when the 970 did exactly the same with the old titan on release yet was under 300.

a 1070 is 100-150 too expensive.you can argue or debate we all know it.

if people think in a years time a 1070 is gunna be 250 quid 2nd hand ill take that bet. look at 980 tis . 200-250 now second hand.in a year time 100-150.would you pay 250 for a 1070 in one years time ? no. not 2nd hand.

I've not seen a 980ti sell for 200 yet...

Silent_Scone · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:36

easyrider said:
I'm not saying just higher refresh...what I'm saying is I would rather have a 34inch 3440x 1440 IPS screen at 60hz over a 34 inch 1080 VA screen at 144hz.

Why? Do you think VA is really that slow? Both panels in the range have ghosting that can be noticeable in certain situations. The Z35 has a deeper curve, higher refresh rate, less back-light bleed. The X34 has a crisper image, but due to Acer having far lesser quality control in our region then ASUS, a lot of them can suffer from bleed.

You have double the pixel count on the X34, which is great - but you also need to power it. I wouldn't be happy with any less than SLI 1080GTX. I never intend on using SLI again.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:49

Silent_Scone said:
Why? Do you think VA is really that slow? Both panels in the range have ghosting that can be noticeable in certain situations. The Z35 has a deeper curve, higher refresh rate, less back-light bleed. The X34 has a crisper image, but due to Acer having far lesser quality control in our region then ASUS, a lot of them can suffer from bleed.

You have double the pixel count on the X34, which is great - but you also need to power it. I wouldn't be happy with any less than SLI 1080GTX. I never intend on using SLI again.

I use my monitor for video editing and photoshop etc...Aswell as a bit of gaming...

I bought a benq 32" VA I returned it....

The best solution for me is Superwide 2k ...so much so I sold my 2x 27 1440p dells in my studio and got a single 34" Dell for music creation...

So I have x34 for games etc...Dell 34 curved for my studio...

~>Dg<~ · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:50

easyrider said:
I've not seen a 980ti sell for 200 yet...

well thats you i have.

they were on offer for less than 300 new not long ago.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:51

~>Dg<~ said:
well thats you i have.

they were on offer for less than 300 new not long ago.

In MM ?

The 1070 was 349 not long ago and has 2gb more ram...

I'm wondering what your point is ?

Silent_Scone · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:55

easyrider said:
I use my monitor for video editing and photoshop etc...Aswell as a bit of gaming...

I bought a benq 32" VA I returned it....

The best solution for me is Superwide 2k ...so much so I sold my 2x 27 1440p dells in my studio and got a single 34" Dell for music creation...

So I have x34 for games etc...Dell 34 curved for my studio...

lol, the 3200PT is old tech.

LoadsaMoney · 12 Nov 2016 at 16:57

~>Dg<~ said:
what are you waffling about.

when the 970 was released it was close to the titan performance of the time.how much was that titan card ?

so the 1070 is dropping into the 970s place. doing very similar with the older titan.

its the exact same scenario except they gouging and charging more than it should be.

so its irrelevant you meant its 980ti performance when the 970 did exactly the same with the old titan on release yet was under 300.

a 1070 is 100-150 too expensive.you can argue or debate we all know it.

if people think in a years time a 1070 is gunna be 250 quid 2nd hand ill take that bet. look at 980 tis . 200-250 now second hand.in a year time 100-150.would you pay 250 for a 1070 in one years time ? no. not 2nd hand.

Being a replacement for the 970 is irellevant to its pricing.

nashathedog · 12 Nov 2016 at 17:05

Silent_Scone said:
60hz is gross. I've done the chasing pixels game, I went as far as 40" 4K, and all the way back down again. There is value there with certain applications due to the desktop real estate, but for games you don't generally stop long enough to really appreciate the density.

2560x1080 at 144hz, or 200hz on this panel if you fancy it - is fluid and looks great whilst also maintaining a solid framerate on a single card. I've wasted more money on these things than most people here I'd imagine, which is why finding a medium is important. Having the best doesn't always quantify as having the best experience.

It's down to the individual, I bought the 35" 144hz 2560x1080 Acer panel and the extra hertz didn't make up for the res not being high enough imo, I now have a 34" 75hz 3440x1440 Acer panel and think it's a lot better. If AMD had vsr for ultrawide I may of got on with the panel better but they don't so I didn't.

easyrider · 12 Nov 2016 at 17:07

Silent_Scone said:
lol, the 3200PT is old tech.

Yep...

As said VA nice blacks...ghost fest ...

BluD · 12 Nov 2016 at 17:23

Caracus2k said:
These sorts of prices are nothing new the 8800gtx ultra was $830+ on release

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2222

And inflation of 16.4% to get to 2016 prices....

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

And convert to sterling gives you around £[email protected] $/£

They weren't that much, i bought 2 of them the second they came into stock and i got them both for under a grand, even the EK full cover blocks only cost about £50 each, don't forget you got over 1.5euro/$2 to the pound in them days. I was earning a lot more money back then for doing the same job also which makes it way harder buying new tech nowadays.

Caracus2k · 12 Nov 2016 at 17:34

tommybhoy said:
480 and 580 were Titan class.

No they were not....
The 580 was just a revised 480 Fermi card not even a new design or on a new node....
The 480gtx was not a 'titan' class product. Titans have been released with typically twice the memory of any contemporary card in far more limited numbers than the 480 or 580gtx which had rather average memory sizes for their day....

melmac said:
You keep bringing this card up and it's price. The 8800GTX ultra was the high end card of it's day. In this generation the Ultra would be a fully unlocked Titan Pascal. How much would that be? Considering the current pascal titan is £1099.

The 8800 GT would be the 1070 equivalent. It's price today would be £222. But the cheapest 1070 is £370.

No the 8800gtx ultra would not be a titan equivalent total nonsensce!

Titan cards have typically been released with over twice the memory of any other contemporary card on a whole new (for the consumer side) die. The 8800gtx ultra was an overclocked 8800gtx nothing more special about it than that as such guess what its comparable with a contemporary 1080 gtx ( an overclocked one!) You also fail to account for inflation and the changing $/£ rate in you 8800gt comparison... which should actually be a 8800gts as the 8800gtx ultra was not a 'titan' tier product.

The 8800gts was $300 on release in 2007

https://www.cnet.com/uk/products/geforce-8800-gts/review/

In 2016 dollars that's $350

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

NVidia's msrp for the 1070 (non Fe) was $379... A look on the American version of the 'river' site shows that you can indeed pick ups decent (gigabyte) 1070 for under $380

Razor Time · 12 Nov 2016 at 17:34

BluD said:
They weren't that much, i bought 2 of them the second they came into stock and i got them both for under a grand, even the EK full cover blocks only cost about £50 each, don't forget you got over 1.5euro/$2 to the pound in them days. I was earning a lot more money back then for doing the same job also which makes it way harder buying new tech nowadays.

I think I paid around £350-75 from ocuk for a BFG 8800GTX with a factory fitted Danger Den block, in fact I still own it, box and all. It would clock higher than a 8800GTX ULTRA, great card for its time.