But a 980ti @ 300 is ?
Why isn't it worth it? It's because people are hung up on the naming convention not the actual performance you get....
Basically forgetting the name the 1070 is a 980ti for 250 less than what the 980ti was on launch.
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Anyone else wanting to upgrade but just can't stomach paying so much for it?
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But a 980ti @ 300 is ?
Why isn't it worth it? It's because people are hung up on the naming convention not the actual performance you get....
Basically forgetting the name the 1070 is a 980ti for 250 less than what the 980ti was on launch.
But double the ram ? They can't sell for 280 it's a far more sphiscated card with more tech bolted to it...
What don't you get ?
Also the palit 1070 was £349 a few weeks back.
Making an 970 for 280 a rip off with its 3.5gb ram...
Because I don't want to "upgrade" to the same generation? Please stop trying to compare it to a 980Ti. That comparison has no bearing on my decision for me.
I'm after a card that offers 50-100% performance increase for up-to £300 that isn't 2nd hand and isn't from the same product line I currently own.
Anything less performance wise for that price and it then becomes "not worth it" to me and I don't buy. I could easily pay more but I simply will not.
It's exactly the same criteria I had when I upgraded my gtx 670 to my current 970.
I know exactly why the 1070 is around £80-£100 more than it's predecessor. I'm not blaming Nvidia as its RRP is pretty much the same as the 970.
But unfortunately the £/$ rate has now pushed it out of my "worth it" criteria for a luxury item
But double the ram ? They can't sell for 280 it's a far more sphiscated card with more tech bolted to it...
What don't you get ?
Also the palit 1070 was £349 a few weeks back.
Making an 970 for 280 a rip off with its 3.5gb ram...
Argh. We could say exactly the same for the 670/770 to 970 though, but the 970 was never £100 more on launch than the 670/770
I've already pointed this out
770 2Gb RAM
970 4Gb RAM (double the ram but cheaper than the 770 launch price too)
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970 4gb RAM
1070 8Gb RAM (double the RAM but a lot more expensive, approx £100 more)
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Yup, so its too cheap, as it should be that £250 more, plus a bit extra, for the extra 2GB vram its got over it as well
Why stop at only a mere 50 - 100% performance increase for a rather pricey £300?
Personally I demand Nvidia sell me a card 500% faster than my current card for £50.
Why not... its never gonna happen (and had not happened in the past)... just like a 50-100% performance increase from one generation to the next for £300
Still give it a few generations and you might just get that 50-100% increase for circa £300
And now back to the real world.....
Huh??
I base that off what I think. I only pay when I think something is worth it on what I class as a luxury good.
Its exactly why I never upgraded from a 670 to a 770. The performance increase for the same price I paid for my 670 was not significant enough. I was after a minimum of 50% which it didn't fit.
Then the 970 came out at an even cheaper price than I paid for my 670 and it offered pretty much 100% performance increase to boot, so I purchased it.
So I don't think my "expectations" are particularly extreme or not "based in the real world" as they have pretty much worked for me so far. Mainly based on a steady £/$ rate that we've had for a long time. Unfortunately the situation has changed now since brexit, but I'm not going to adjust my criteria to suit
And yes the 50-100% performance increase for next generation would have happened this generation (970 to 1070) for £300 had the exchange rate stayed at the pre brexit levels
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I'm interested to see what price/performance is going to be like with Vega & Volta.
Volta has been rumoured to come earlier than expected so could it come less than 6 months after the 1080Ti? Hmm.. that would be a bit of a kick in the nuts to 1080Ti buyers if it did.
Volta has been rumoured to come earlier than expected so could it come less than 6 months after the 1080Ti? Hmm.. that would be a bit of a kick in the nuts to 1080Ti buyers if it did.
I think you lot should pretend the 1070 is called a 1080 and a 1080 is called a 1090
Would not work.... on top of graphic cards naming conventions some people here are strangely obsessed by the physical size of their GPU die's and the memory bus width... by these metric the 2900XT with its 420mm2 die and 512bit bus width must have been a pretty good card? oh no wait it was rubbish!
Trying to point out relative performance does not appear to work here for a lot of people. No there will tell you that Nvidia sold everyone a 'cut down' product going from the 580GTX to the 680GTX cos the die was smaller innit!
http://www.eteknix.com/gtx-680-transistor-count-and-density-revealed/
Never mind that the performance is better and the transistor count went up 540 million whilst using less power and generating less heat!
No since then apparently the 'X'80GTX series have been 'mid range' cos some bloke on a forum thinks that die size matters more than performance and does not understand that just maybe making big dies with ever more transistors crammed in might not be as easy generation on generation as in the past!
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I think you lot should pretend the 1070 is called a 1080 and a 1080 is called a 1090
People just get to hung up on meaningless stuff...
They wait and wait and wait...when in fact waiting is totally futile....
There will always be some new tech on the horizon...
Just imagine if we got the same performance boosts in CPU generations?
For ten years since i7 arrived we have seen a drip feed of performance....
Look at gfx cards from ten years ago and compare them to the performance you get today ...for the same price...
We all want cheaper prices...but at least gfx cards have a point...at least upgrading them has a point....
You can game on a ten year old system with a modern gfx card and play at 1440p
Is a 7700k worth the 379 quid price tag and even an upgrade on a 2700k ? Nope....
Is spending 370 on a 1070 over a 970 worth the upgrade in real world gains and faster fps and 2k gaming ? Yes....
They wait and wait and wait...when in fact waiting is totally futile....
There will always be some new tech on the horizon...
Just imagine if we got the same performance boosts in CPU generations?
For ten years since i7 arrived we have seen a drip feed of performance....
Look at gfx cards from ten years ago and compare them to the performance you get today ...for the same price...
We all want cheaper prices...but at least gfx cards have a point...at least upgrading them has a point....
You can game on a ten year old system with a modern gfx card and play at 1440p
Is a 7700k worth the 379 quid price tag and even an upgrade on a 2700k ? Nope....
Is spending 370 on a 1070 over a 970 worth the upgrade in real world gains and faster fps and 2k gaming ? Yes....
The relative perfrmance for the last couple of generations has been pretty much consistent though
The argument that the 1070 offers similar performance and exactly 1/3 more RAM to its previous gens 980Ti model for prices starting at £350 is exactly the same as;
The 970 offered similar performance and 1/3 extra RAM than its previous gens 780Ti model, BUT it was starting at £280 - THERE is the BIG difference.
Thats what makes the 1070 far less appealing to me, but as I said, its not NVIDIA that has caused this, its purely exchange rates not staying consistent
IF the exchange rate was still around 1.5/1.6 then I'd be agreeing the 1070 is a fantastic card and a worthy upgrade for basically the same price as the 970 was
Let's all be honest here. We all just read forum posts so it doesn't matter what gfx card we have
Have you tired surfing the net with a 1070? It's horrible....
One needs a 1080 as it makes the pages load quicker...
Everybody knows that...
100% agree mate. If only I could afford a 1080....
I agree with everything you said I'm just trying to bat of people that think that the price rises are all NVidia's fault... because those sorts of people do exist here.....
That was the whole point of my 8800GTX Ultra costing £767 in 2016 £'s post..... to show that expensive graphics cards per say are nothing new. What has changed is the £ has significantly weakened against the dollar. But then people will say but look Nvidia are making $$$$ more than in the past. Well Nvidia I wager sell a lot more GPU's than they did in years gone past because PC gaming is growing and Nvidia have diversified into many other markets and are no longer primarily a consumer GPU company so their profits reflect the volume of sales and profits from other products aswell
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