Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU?

[Gigapig]

You see in the space of 2 days all OcUk Nvidia cards are now gone! I said get in there while you can as this happened last time 3 Series cards were listed on there. Let hope they get another drop in that's more affordable.

You seem very keen on pushing people to buy overpriced crap. Are you acting as an influencer or middle man? What's you cut?

 

[shamus21]

I had a quick look on FB and couple of auction sites and prices are still holding up in general i have to say this though there are a lot of card flippers out there and a fair few who seem to be running a business on the side just selling graphic cards.

Also every time the FE`s drop at a well known retailer these market place sites fill up with them so all those only one per customer rules are not working.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I had a quick look on FB and couple of auction sites and prices are still holding up in general i have to say this though there are a lot of card flippers out there and a fair few who seem to be running a business on the side just selling graphic cards.

Also every time the FE`s drop at a well known retailer these market place sites fill up with them so all those only one per customer rules are not working.

Said competitor claims that they cancel sales to people they can identify reselling them on ebay, which I would love to see any proof of.

 

[JGBR]

Yes, stuff it. So many things have gone wrong that it’s reminded us of how we are being played when we are the customer.

I’ll wait At least until prices are where they should be.

 

[Dazjm]

Yes, stuff it. So many things have gone wrong that it’s reminded us of how we are being played when we are the customer.

I’ll wait At least until prices are where they should be.

Will the prices return to "normal" ? Id think manufacturers would adjust prices up going forward rather than keep them at the 30 series release level. Although you could argue those prices were low to begin with.

 

[Major774]

Silly how sellers are saying that they are selling their sealed card due to another pre-order or upgrade, etc. Just return the sealed card to the UK retailer for a refund and stop scalping.

It’s more legit if they actually open and use the card, however, they don’t want to do that… it will impact its resale value lol.

 

[BobShark]

Silly how sellers are saying that they are selling their sealed card due to another pre-order or upgrade, etc. Just return the sealed card to the UK retailer for a refund and stop scalping.

This does me nut in, few people in my area are at it all the time.

Brand new, sealed FE card, with the competitors receipt, but always marked a "genuine sale due to upgrade"

 

[Sarge2255]

Will the prices return to "normal" ? Id think manufacturers would adjust prices up going forward rather than keep them at the 30 series release level. Although you could argue those prices were low to begin with.

This is not right, 3 series cards were the most expensive GPUs on record.Why argue against it.

Remember, this is just to play video games. GPUs are costing thousands of pounds.

£500 should be a cutoff point for the fastest GPU not £2,800

 

[HangTime]

Also every time the FE`s drop at a well known retailer these market place sites fill up with them so all those only one per customer rules are not working.

Not necessarily, there is insufficient supply of FEs so theoretically there could be a queue of new buyers waiting to buy who haven't previously bought one.

This is not right, 3 series cards were the most expensive GPUs on record.Why argue against it.

Not in every case based on MRSP, the 3080 is £649 whereas 2080 was £749 for example and the 3080 is arguably a better product i.e. bigger gains over prior gen. It's generally accepted that the 3080 was underpriced (based on it beating the 2080ti flagship costing a lot more) which is why you see them charging £400 extra for the 3080ti.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment about graphics card being too expensive and the most I've paid until this year was £270, but in relative terms the 3000 series official pricing isn't that bad compared to what preceded it.

 

[FoxEye]

Mid-range 3000 series pricing is pretty poor. xx60 series up to ~£400 and xx70 pricing >£500 and that's the unicorn FE versions.

 

[Sarge2255]

Not necessarily, there is insufficient supply of FEs so theoretically there could be a queue of new buyers waiting to buy who haven't previously bought one.

Not in every case based on MRSP, the 3080 is £649 whereas 2080 was £749 for example and the 3080 is arguably a better product i.e. bigger gains over prior gen. It's generally accepted that the 3080 was underpriced (based on it beating the 2080ti flagship costing £1200) which is why you see them charging £400 extra for the 3080ti.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment about graphics card being too expensive and the most I've paid until this year was £270, but in relative terms the 3000 series official pricing isn't that bad compared to what preceded it.

Okay, but the same company likes overcharging for GPUs to play video games.

£780, £650 that's all still too high and not small money to play video games knowing you still need to buy CPU and other stuff plus games are not cheap.

The 2 Series AIB cards were not £2,000+ so 3 series is the most expensive. Seeing a 3090 AIB for 3 grand is just ridiculous.

 

[robin66]

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[Twinz]

Not necessarily, there is insufficient supply of FEs so theoretically there could be a queue of new buyers waiting to buy who haven't previously bought one.

Not in every case based on MRSP, the 3080 is £649 whereas 2080 was £749 for example and the 3080 is arguably a better product i.e. bigger gains over prior gen. It's generally accepted that the 3080 was underpriced (based on it beating the 2080ti flagship costing a lot more) which is why you see them charging £400 extra for the 3080ti.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment about graphics card being too expensive and the most I've paid until this year was £270, but in relative terms the 3000 series official pricing isn't that bad compared to what preceded it.

I don't accept that the 3080 was underpriced at all.

Turing was OVERPRICED. It failed to advance performance at the $700 price point in a meaningful way, and instead offered the performance that should have come at $700 from normal generational improvements for $1200.

Before Turing, we got 20-30% more performance at various price points from one gen to the next. The 3080 at $700 merely continued on the trajectory that every generation *other than Turing* had been on.

Nvidia priced the 3080 correctly, but the market went insane thanks to Covid, free money, and mining.

 

[HangTime]

That's a reasonable perspective (I accept that Turing was overpriced out of the ordinary) but 3080 is a bigger percentage improvement over 2080 than 2080 was over 1080.
In terms of whether they priced it correctly, I think there was such a big gap between 3080 and 3090 that they could've got away with £749 again, especially given the 3080 was considerably better than the 2080S.

 

[Twinz]

That's a reasonable perspective (I accept that Turing was overpriced out of the ordinary) but 3080 is a bigger percentage improvement over 2080 than 2080 was over 1080.
In terms of whether they priced it correctly, I think there was such a big gap between 3080 and 3090 that they could've got away with £749 again, especially given the 3080 was considerably better than the 2080S.

Just figure in 20-30% improvement at a given price point per generation.

The 2080 failed. If you compare the 3080 to what the 2080 *should have been*, the 3080 is just "acceptable".

I also try not to get caught up in the naming schemes...it's easly manipulated for marketing. I just look at the performance and the price point. The 2080 was priced at the 1080 *ti*'s price point of $700...and it delivered almost nothing in performance improvement at that price point.

Comparing the 3080 to a 2080 that offered almost nothing at the $700 price point makes the 3080 look better than it is.

Still, I would have paid a *little* more in a normal market for the 3080, but not much. The 2080Ti should have been $700. Then 1080Ti > 2080Ti > 3080 would have made for steady generational improvements.

 

[HangTime]

I guess it comes down to whether we think pricing (i.e. 'overpriced' vs 'underpriced') should be based on a stead improvement trajectory, or what Nvidia can get away with.

You certainly make a good argument on the former (i.e. 3080 is plotted correctly, 2000 series were misplotted) and FWIW I agree on naming conventions (I wrote about it here: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/33254487 & https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/33256124 ), it's just sometimes the only way to get the message across quickly to some people.

On the latter, I guess the point is I think NV could have got away with higher pricing, they got away with it on Turing and had a massive window between the 3070 and the 3090, they chose the lower end of the spectrum maybe due to fears about AMD.

 

[4k4uNuNu]

This is not right, 3 series cards were the most expensive GPUs on record.Why argue against it.

Remember, this is just to play video games. GPUs are costing thousands of pounds.

£500 should be a cutoff point for the fastest GPU not £2,800

Graphics cards aren't just about video games these days, sadly. I hate mining, but what can you do, even gamers like to degrade their hardware to help afford that gold toilet everyone wants.

Consoles are still mostly about games, unless Microsoft finally gets its way and turns them into entertainment machines with paid monthly subscriptions for cheaply made tv shows and live service time sink abominations masquerading as games.

I don't accept that the 3080 was underpriced at all.

Turing was OVERPRICED. It failed to advance performance at the $700 price point in a meaningful way, and instead offered the performance that should have come at $700 from normal generational improvements for $1200.

Before Turing, we got 20-30% more performance at various price points from one gen to the next. The 3080 at $700 merely continued on the trajectory that every generation *other than Turing* had been on.

Nvidia priced the 3080 correctly, but the market went insane thanks to Covid, free money, and mining.

Why does technical improvement mean they stay the same price? The 1080ti can barely do 4k60 even if you don't care for ray tracing. We are in the early stages of a big shift in resolution and lighting, plus other technologies and these things aren't cheap to research and develop. On the flip side, you have to factor in what people are willing to pay and how much you can manufacture. It's all very complicated but at the end of the day, comparing prices from previous generations doesn't work.

Nvidia could have easily got away with £749 for the 3080 and it would have sold like hot cakes, pre shortages. They priced at £649 because amd were able to put out a decent high tier graphics card this time. No one can argue that getting a 3080 at £649 right now wouldn't be good value, even if you ignore resale prices and mining profits.

 

[BobShark]

I don't accept that the 3080 was underpriced at all.

Turing was OVERPRICED. It failed to advance performance at the $700 price point in a meaningful way, and instead offered the performance that should have come at $700 from normal generational improvements for $1200.

Before Turing, we got 20-30% more performance at various price points from one gen to the next. The 3080 at $700 merely continued on the trajectory that every generation *other than Turing* had been on.

Nvidia priced the 3080 correctly, but the market went insane thanks to Covid, free money, and mining.

Completely agree with this. Technological innovation doesn't mean a continually increasing price trend. Without continuing improvements at a comparable cost, the majority of people will be priced out of the market within a decade regardless of what tech we are talking about here. People would simply put up with what they have rather than spending 2x/3x + for the newer bit of kit on the basis the manufacturer needs to recoup dev costs, diluting the pool of potential customers even further for the manufacturer.

There is a finite amount of £ that companies can continue to squeeze from their customers before the value proposition falls apart and people realise it just isn't worth investing in as much as they have previously. A good example is the high end phone market, apart from the very top end I think apple, samsung etc have realised they can't continue squeezing any more without sacrificing volume shipped so have designed their product stack to be more affordable.

It's clear as day Turing, particularly 2080ti, was an exercise in squeezing as much cash as NV could out of people who were desperate for something new after being stuck with Pascal for what felt like an age.

I agree NV could have comfortably priced 3080 @ £749 but given the competition from AMD on the desktop and in console I think they priced it correctly. It's the external factors to this, primarily COVID related production difficulties, mining and scalping, which have ****** it for everyone.

 

[silversurfer]

People thought that then the 3 series prices made 2080 look clever to buy. At RRP the 3 series is better value per the performance it delivers. The main complaint is going to be about supply not keeping up but that can reverse this year even.
500 quid for the top card might be realistic if we didnt have a constant decline in all currency values and also consider extreme usage like deep learning and nvidia has an excuse to develop far more at the top end then previously. It should be a positive, all of it even the demand imbalance

 

[Dazjm]

I remember the announce stream of NV's 30 series cards, and if i read the room right, there was somewhat of a surprise at the pricing (lower than expected) most likely due to the performance comparison to the 2080ti whilst being about half the cost at the time. That certainly helped to drum up hysteria, and made myself and a lot of people i know set reminders and discuss best ways of trying to get a card on launch (we didnt get one )

Id never been a release day GPU buyer - been buying them since the Voodoo days - but i was this time, and im usually price driven.