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Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU?

Harlequin said:
See video link above , was the first i found when i did a google search ; granted looking at more data, take Destiny 2 - the 3060 is near 80% faster. However, it isnt universally the case (as in any card comparisons) as from teh video above.
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1070 - $379 - 100% perf baseline
3060 - $325 - 130% perf

compared to

5600 - $300 - 115% perf
6600 - $325 - 120% perf

.. estimated, but i'd wager not that far from the truth. AMD have screwed themselves. If the 6600 was $250 MSRP it would be a winner. It's not like anyone is honouring MSRP but it's a message of intent :cry:
 
Alan McFall said:
1070 - $379 - 100% perf baseline
3060 - $325 - 130% perf

compared to

5600 - $300 - 115% perf
6600 - $325 - 120% perf

.. estimated, but i'd wager not that far from the truth. AMD have screwed themselves. If the 6600 was $250 MSRP it would be a winner. It's not like anyone is honouring MSRP but it's a message of intent :cry:
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$250 would be less than the 5600XT launched at (that was $279) , so a $299 card it would have been better; BUT, msrp is a pointless metric as digital river dont sell to the uk and the FE drops are sold out in a heartbeat, ever 5 weeks.

In the UK 3060 is a £550 card and the 3060Ti is a £650 card! Nvidia`s best move was to stay at Samsung , at least they can throw more money and greater supply, at TSMC they would be seriously constrained ( as Intel will find out soon).
 
Harlequin said:
$250 would be less than the 5600XT launched at (that was $279) , so a $299 card it would have been better; BUT, msrp is a pointless metric as digital river dont sell to the uk and the FE drops are sold out in a heartbeat, ever 5 weeks.

In the UK 3060 is a £550 card and the 3060Ti is a £650 card! Nvidia`s best move was to stay at Samsung , at least they can throw more money and greater supply, at TSMC they would be seriously constrained ( as Intel will find out soon).
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I've heard rumblings of companies hoarding chips to artificially inflate the shortage, let's hope they cut that **** out aswell.
 
Harlequin said:
Depends on the game

NVIDIA GTX 1070 vs RTX 3060 | Test in 8 Games - YouTube

thats a 5% difference over 8 games.

I do agree about the RX 6600 - it is overpriced (and even more so now after launch) , the same goes for the £500 RTX 3060 - literally wtf at that price. RTX 3060Ti are starting at £650 ▷ Zotac GeForce RTX 3060Ti Twin Edge LHR 8GB GD… | OcUK (overclockers.co.uk) ; the msrp drop was on teh 23/09 and the stock lasted seconds.
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That's not a legit benchmark, it's just a guy making up the numbers. His video is 8 months old yet the the 3060 was only released 7 and a half months ago.
 
Joxeon said:
That's not a legit benchmark, it's just a guy making up the numbers. His video is 8 months old yet the the 3060 was only released 7 and a half months ago.
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FFS , no you are right, was a month before the card was released, will delete and retract then. *DOH*
 
Joxeon said:
Cards are valued on hash rate not gaming performance.
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Cards are a commodity based upon the perceived value to the person buying it; as demand massively outstrips supply (for any reason), the perceived value of that commodity has risen. The 3090 is not a card miners want even though it has a sky high hash rate; the mining farms look for how efficient a card is not the raw output (hence why the 470/ 570 are the card of choice in bulk volume), then teh 3060Ti/3070. Home users just farm with anything they can get hold of.
 
Joxeon said:
The 3060 is quite a bit faster than a 1070 so not sure what benchmarks your looking at.

While the MSRP is mythical currently and Gpus are instead valued by hash rate the fact that AMD themselves value the 6600 as a $330 card is quite worrying in the long run when traditionally they have offered better VFM than Nvidia yet now offer less and slower VRAM a cut down PCIE interface, smaller die and generally a cheaper PCB for the same MSRP as the 3060 and the same can be said about the 6600XT which is only priced $20 less than the 3060ti yet is a tier behind in performance while having the same cut down feature set as the non XT.
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The bolded is quite a reversal of roles. RDNA2 is being very clever with the cache but none of these BoM savings are being passed on. Now of course 7nm wafers are like gold dust unless you are a console manufacturer, but even with AIBs the cheaper PCBs, VRMs, fans, etc. are not reflected in even the mythical MSRP.
The new AMD: high margins, not the value brand... Except when it comes to seeing console chips to Sony and Microsoft.

Microsoft even rewarded them by designing a scheduler for Windows 11 which goes out of its way for Alder-Lake while "accidentally" penalising Ryzen!

Maybe Sony will re-enter the PC market with a large palette of configurations all based on Intel CPUs?!
 
KompuKare said:
The bolded is quite a reversal of roles. RDNA2 is being very clever with the cache but none of these BoM savings are being passed on. Now of course 7nm wafers are like gold dust unless you are a console manufacturer, but even with AIBs the cheaper PCBs, VRMs, fans, etc. are not reflected in even the mythical MSRP.
The new AMD: high margins, not the value brand... Except when it comes to seeing console chips to Sony and Microsoft.

Microsoft even rewarded them by designing a scheduler for Windows 11 which goes out of its way for Alder-Lake while "accidentally" penalising Ryzen!

Maybe Sony will re-enter the PC market with a large palette of configurations all based on Intel CPUs?!
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The thing is AMD didn't need to price MSRP so high, they could have priced it at $250 and it still would have ended up at $400 in the current market but what AMD are doing here is setting a future precedent to keep prices high even when the shortages and crypto die down and the market returns to normality.
 
Joxeon said:
The thing is AMD didn't need to price MSRP so high, they could have priced it at $250 and it still would have ended up at $400 in the current market but what AMD are doing here is setting a future precedent to keep prices high even when the shortages and crypto die down and the market returns to normality.
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They would not price the card at LESS than the previous market segment model (5600XT was $279).
 
I think it's the price of the RTX 3060 TI that seems nuts. These are built with the GA104 die, which I think explains the high cost. This is basically a 1080p graphics card, marketed at higher resolutions.

AMD really needs a card to compete at this performance level, the 6700 XT performs about the same, but the prices are even more ridiculous.

Assuming the rumours are correct, Intel could be in a good position to trash both of these graphics cards. Hopefully TSMC's 6nm fab. process won't be in too much demand from other companies (I wonder if these would be made at the same facilities as TSMCs 7nm?).
 
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g67575 said:
I think it's the price of the RTX 3060 TI that seems nuts. These are built with the GA104 die, which I think explains the high cost.
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The MSRP (which has been accurate throughout time until pandemic happened) of the 3060 Ti is £379 for 2080 Super performance so it's a massive leap.. should still be cheaper being just above entry level to the new generation but it's probably the sweet spot in price to performance of any current card at MSRP.

People keep reiterating that MSRP is a fiction or a joke but it's the current exploitative market that is the fiction and the joke is on us.
 
It doesn't matter, Nvidia doesn't allocate anything like enough GPU dies for Founders Edition cards. It's not really the market, it's Nvidia.

Similarly, AMD chooses to produce an even smaller proportion of reference model cards. They almost decided not to bother with reference models at all, but decided it would be good PR, I expect to produce a limited number.

Reference models used to bring down the price of AIB cards, but they are so rare now, it just doesn't matter.

When profit is involved, you can expect GPU miners to get their hands on the majority of the small amount of reference models that are sold.
 
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g67575 said:
It doesn't matter, Nvidia doesn't allocate anything like enough GPU dies for Founders Edition cards. It's not really the market, it's Nvidia.
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But historically the price they set enabled lower end cooler manufacturers to match the MSRP so there is always cards available at that price. Even if Nvidia set an unrealistic MSRP for those manufacturers you're still only talking an extra £5 production cost, not 100%.
 
Indeed, another poor Nvidia decision on pricing. They could fix that problem with slightly improved cards in 2022 though, by setting new prices for FE models.

On the other hand, they sell all the non reference models with ease, so from their point of view everything is going great.
 
Andy from Eteknix has screenshots from various etailers, selling 6600 yesterday at £299 ; then after launch at the max of £350, today they are £400.
 
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