Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU?

[Alan McFall]

When profit is involved, you can expect GPU miners to get their hands on the majority of the small amount of reference models that are sold.

I can't help but think that the people who have bought cards at MSRP and sold to miners in order to upgrade have played the cameo role in this ****show.

 

[V F]

Cards are a commodity based upon the perceived value to the person buying it; as demand massively outstrips supply (for any reason), the perceived value of that commodity has risen. The 3090 is not a card miners want even though it has a sky high hash rate; the mining farms look for how efficient a card is not the raw output (hence why the 470/ 570 are the card of choice in bulk volume), then teh 3060Ti/3070. Home users just farm with anything they can get hold of.

 

[Harlequin]

I can't help but think that the people who have bought cards at MSRP and sold to miners in order to upgrade have played the cameo role in this ****show.

or bought at msrp then walked into a certain high street second hand buying shop and sold for double the money or more. Thats certain shop is selling 3080 FE for £1500

 

[Alan McFall]

Andy from Eteknix has screenshots from various etailers, selling 6600 yesterday at £299 ; then after launch at the max of £350, today they are £400.

So they are increasing the price as the supply declines.. supply and demand my arse, pure greed.

Can you imagine if the local supermarket started pulling that crap !!

 

[Harlequin]

So they are increasing the price as the supply declines.. supply and demand my ****, pure greed.

The £299 will be for X amount of cards , with a rebate from the AIB. The second price would be the actual price to be sold at ; Anndy from Eteknix will be putting all of the screenshots on the discord channel tomorrow

 

[g67575]

I think those with an FE card already, will just have to wait to upgrade (in most cases).

But hey, if they offered an upgrade program, please sign me up

 

[Tetras]

So they are increasing the price as the supply declines.. supply and demand my arse, pure greed.

Can you imagine if the local supermarket started pulling that crap !!

They totally would, I remember the toilet roll prices

 

[g67575]

The MSRP is whatever they decide to set it at, it can change. If they make a reference model version though, they've effectively p***** on their own cornflakes.

 

[Alan McFall]

They totally would, I remember the toilet roll prices

That was hilarious, idiots panic buying toilet role like it's an essential item, I don't remember the prices going up, I know all special offers went away though

 

[Harlequin]

That was hilarious, idiots panic buying toilet role like it's an essential item, I don't remember the prices going up, I know all special offers went away though

Same thing isnt it , the mechanism to increase profit, bin off the discounts

 

[Alan McFall]

The MSRP is whatever they decide to set it at, it can change. If they make a reference model version though, they've effectively p***** on their own cornflakes.

I wonder if MSRP has historically been the minimum price or was it more of an average price.. have there been GPU's released below MSRP ?

Same thing isnt it , the mechanism to increase profit, bin off the discounts

Yes it is essentially, the lack of competition gives them selling power.

 

[Meaker]

I wonder if MSRP has historically been the minimum price or was it more of an average price.. have there been GPU's released below MSRP ?


Yes it is essentially, the lack of competition gives them selling power.

Recently (before crazyness) MSRP was the floor price for the most basic or reference model.

 

[Harlequin]

Recently (before crazyness) MSRP was the floor price for the most basic or reference model.

It wasnt actually ; the non reference RTX 2060 and 70 series cards were cheaper than the FE msrp cards (because it was considered the RTX 2060 and 70 series were overpriced anyway, oh those days huh). Only the 2080 matched the FE price

 

[Joxeon]

When you look at MSRP pricing for nvidias cards though each represents a gain in performance over the same MSRP of cards from the previous gen, 3070 @$499 with the performance of a 2080ti replaced the 2070 which released at $599, the 3060ti @$399 with performance around a 2080 super replaced the 2060 super @$399 and even the lacklustre 3060 @$329 with the performance of a 2070 replaced the 2060 @$350.

Now when you look at AMDs lower end cards the 6600 @$329 with the performance of a $349 5700 and the 6600XT @$379 with performance around a 5700XT @$399. So while the 6600XT performance increased 2 tiers the price also increased 2 tiers from the 5600XT $280 > 6600XT $380 while the 6600 performance increase by one tier over the 5600XT to 5700 levels the price increase duely followed so for AMD there is no real performance increase against the previous gen even at MSRP price points.

 

[Alan McFall]

When you look at MSRP pricing for nvidias cards though each represents a gain in performance over the same MSRP of cards from the previous gen, 3070 @$499 with the performance of a 2080ti replaced the 2070 which released at $599, the 3060ti @$399 with performance around a 2080 super replaced the 2060 super @$399 and even the lacklustre 3060 @$329 with the performance of a 2070 replaced the 2060 @$350.

Now when you look at AMDs lower end cards the 6600 @$329 with the performance of a $349 5700 and the 6600XT @$379 with performance around a 5700XT @$399. So while the 6600XT performance increased 2 tiers the price also increased 2 tiers from the 5600XT $280 > 6600XT $380 while the 6600 performance increase by one tier over the 5600XT to 5700 levels the price increase duely followed so for AMD there is no real performance increase at the previous gen even at MSRP price points.

Exactly, although Nvidia are still priced (MSRP) too high - although I don't fully understand the total inherent cost - they are actually delivering a better product this generation, AMD are just meh.. the companies are currently competing in a Triathlon, AMD have spent all their effort winning a single event and think they deserve to be appraised by that alone at the top end.. at the bottom end.. wtf ?

 

[roadie]

I cracked and bought a PowerColor 6600 Hellhound at launch to replace my RX 480. I'm happy with it so far; it uses 20W less at desktop and runs cool and quiet while more than doubling my PUBG FPS.

I only bought it because the strength of the used market should minimise my cost to change so that it is reasonable.

 

[Joxeon]

Exactly, although Nvidia are still priced (MSRP) too high - although I don't fully understand the total inherent cost - they are actually delivering a better product this generation, AMD are just meh.. the companies are currently competing in a Triathlon, AMD have spent all their effort winning a single event and think they deserve to be appraised by that alone at the top end.. at the bottom end.. wtf ?

What I don't get though is why Nvidia went with 12gb on the 3060, surely going with 8gb and a 256 bit bus would have not only been cheaper but the extra bandwidth would have increased performance vs a 192 bit bus and 12gb VRAM.

 

[Harlequin]

MSRP is a work of fiction; the cards in any of the once per 5 week drop are gone in seconds. So using MSRP as a benchmark is a best a mistake and at worst a tory politican. The cards actually in stock are £650 for a 3060Ti

 

[Joxeon]

MSRP is a work of fiction; the cards in any of the once per 5 week drop are gone in seconds. So using MSRP as a benchmark is a best a mistake and at worst a tory politican. The cards actually in stock are £650 for a 3060Ti

MSRP is what the cards would cost though if we didn't have a chip shortage / crypto boom so it's still a good measure of how AM.d and Nvidia value their cards.

 

[Harlequin]

It not a good measure for any reason as the cards are mythical. The measure of a commodity is the value placed on that, or , how much it can actually be bought for; that is nearly double the fictional msrp. Which is why no tech tubers or reviewers use msrp anymore.