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Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU?

MSRP cards dropped today.
Yeah, but how many? And what's the demand like? Did the gamers get them or the bots? Also never mind that most countries don't even get FE drops.

As they did on October 19th so you're not going to mine back several hundred pounds in 9 days.
Not sure I get you, unless you think you have a guaranteed shot at snagging a card at MSRP whenever you want?

I think the fact you are paying over £500 for a mid range 3070ti and a grand for a 3080 ti which isn't even the top card anymore is what people are miffed about.
I get what people are miffed about, but I'm trying to offer a different perspective on things.

Maybe I am getting old but I can remember getting my 9800 XT for £350. That was the top card in it's day. Even with inflation that would be a £500 card today.
Yeah, but I'm thinking more about the much more aggressive inflation that's going on in the past 12 months and onwards than the historical norm of the last 10 years, which had it quite low overall. Plus like I've said the continuous price increases as a result of R&D requiring more capital, as well as overall cost increases on the manufacturing side.
I actually learned this lesson way back when Polaris launched because I remember I was on this site looking at 290X/390X deals at <£300 but I said "let's wait, it's gonna be a worth it" then the RX 480 drops and it's basically same performance and same price, just lower power draw. Ever since then it's been the same pattern, prices keep going up and price/performance stays near constant outside of the higher end. It was clear it was like that with CPUs back then, but I hadn't learned the lesson with GPUs, nonetheless it happened for them too.

I guess people will just have to hope that the crypto bubble will burst otherwise PC gaming will cease to exist.
Crypto will have its down period eventually, no doubt, but regardless Eth is going PoS within a year so that means no more mining for them, which in turn means mining ROI overall will plummet. What I'm saying though is that that's not necessarily a good thing because I think the floor has been permanently raised, so those hoping that once mining operations implode that means they'll get their £649 MSRP 3080... nope! Instead you'll have been waiting & will have to pay more anyway but now you can't even make that money back. Imo that's decidedly worse and makes waiting pointless.
Today buying and mining (when the PC's not in use) still makes more sense, in a few months then no, but then you'll only be left with two options (if you don't want to pay extra today): keep waiting for lower prices indefinitely or give up.
And don't think that indefinitely is so far fetched either, remember what I said about Polaris? Well since then, 2016, (and really earlier still given the sales on Hawaii) they kept re-releasing more or less the same performance at that price range (480->580->590->5500XT) and now the same's happening for 5600 XT and 5700 XT. Nvidia's no better either, you can see they can't even be bothered to release an x50 version anymore, and even the x60 they regret putting out because they gave it 12 GB and it's costing them too much so it's in reality selling for way more than intended, when they even make it available. Who's to say the trend will stop? There's much more room for increasing prices, or so the market's saying.

Ultimately what I'm trying to get across to people is, the market is what it is, so make the best of it. If people are just even a little bit clever about it then they can actually have a great time with it.
 
Yeah, but I'm thinking more about the much more aggressive inflation that's going on in the past 12 months and onwards than the historical norm of the last 10 years, which had it quite low overall. Plus like I've said the continuous price increases as a result of R&D requiring more capital, as well as overall cost increases on the manufacturing side.
I actually learned this lesson way back when Polaris launched because I remember I was on this site looking at 290X/390X deals at <£300 but I said "let's wait, it's gonna be a worth it" then the RX 480 drops and it's basically same performance and same price, just lower power draw. Ever since then it's been the same pattern, prices keep going up and price/performance stays near constant outside of the higher end. It was clear it was like that with CPUs back then, but I hadn't learned the lesson with GPUs, nonetheless it happened for them too.

Correct. Made similar mistake waiting to pickup a vega few years back and got it cheap in the BF sales but then 5700XT came out. Selling has been different lately second hand market so people generally can offload an older GPU and recoup a ton of outlay. In the past old GPU's didn't command as much at all so the jump was widening.
 
I don't think anyone should be surprised that mid-range buyers wouldn't shell out a grand for an upgrade.

I just don't see prices getting back to normal for years. £400-£700 is what the mid-range costs, now. The only winning move is not to play.

Agreed, He was willing to shell out £700-800 for 3080, but that was really his tops. £900 for a 3070, or 1200+ for a 3080 is just way too much.

Only way to get one anywhere near RRP seems to be in an OEM prebuiilt.
 
Agreed, He was willing to shell out £700-800 for 3080, but that was really his tops. £900 for a 3070, or 1200+ for a 3080 is just way too much.

Only way to get one anywhere near RRP seems to be in an OEM prebuiilt.

It is way too much it's not just over the msrp, the average is double the msrp. I don't understand the gamers nor miners that are willing to pay that much.

There's no way it's suddenly costing the manufacturers that much to make them. It doesn't really matter though the prices are so high as to be laughable, there not mass consumer products anymore. The prices are out of reach of the majority of people.
 
Yep, they've basically gone to enthusiast/professional pricing levels. Which is ridiculous.

Much as AMD/Nvidia are probably loving this short term; they need to also realise that long term this is pushing people away from PC gaming, so if they're not careful, for short term gains they are hurting long term sales.
 
Yep, they've basically gone to enthusiast/professional pricing levels. Which is ridiculous.

Much as AMD/Nvidia are probably loving this short term; they need to also realise that long term this is pushing people away from PC gaming, so if they're not careful, for short term gains they are hurting long term sales.

This is the general humans view on everything that surrounds us. Blind to the long term and very greedy in the short term.
People don't believe in the future.

I am not going to buy RX 6800 XT 16GB for 1400 euros, when the normal price should be 50% of it.
 
Yep, they've basically gone to enthusiast/professional pricing levels. Which is ridiculous.

Much as AMD/Nvidia are probably loving this short term; they need to also realise that long term this is pushing people away from PC gaming, so if they're not careful, for short term gains they are hurting long term sales.

Sony have sold 10 million PS5 since launch, they dont care .
 
The current gen of consoles aren't like the old, they give decent QoL improvements with the SSDs and decent CPUs. The xbox one really suffered on release with having lag on the system's own UI. The 360 even in its last days was able to produce decent graphics. The digital versions of the consoles are amazing value for money.
 
You're waiting for MSRP because presumably you want to buy it for MSRP, no? But if you pay extra, and it mines in the downtime and it makes up even its scalped cost, then how have you won by waiting to pay MSRP? Unless you didn't have enough money for it in the first place you actually lost out on both time with the card & the profit from mining.

I waited for msrp prices because that's all I deemed the rtx 3080 to be worth. Its not worth what the AIB cards are going for.

I could have bought an overpriced AIB card easily enough but I only buy something if I think it's worth the asking price, even if I can actually afford it.

I don't believe or agree with mining so will never do something I dont believe in. So that idea was never on my radar.
 
MSRP cards dropped today. As they did on October 19th so you're not going to mine back several hundred pounds in 9 days. I think the fact you are paying over £500 for a mid range 3070ti and a grand for a 3080 ti which isn't even the top card anymore is what people are miffed about.

Maybe I am getting old but I can remember getting my 9800 XT for £350. That was the top card in it's day. Even with inflation that would be a £500 card today.

I guess people will just have to hope that the crypto bubble will burst otherwise PC gaming will cease to exist.
I don't think MSRP is what most people are miffed about, it's the lack of availability at MSRP. The 3080 should be considered the top gaming card for £649, anything above that is negligible performance improvements and is for professional use or people with more money than sense. With UK pricing the 3070 Ti is 18.48% cheaper than the 3080 and around 18.8% slower at 4K which isn't too bad.
 
Exactly, if my uncle or brother could GET an 3080 at MSRP, or just above (say +100-150), they'd have been fine. But +650?

Its the massive over inflation from the MSRPs that is the issue and has pushed the cards out of the hands of gamers. I mean, the 3060 range should be around 200-350 in normal years, with 300+ MSRPs; in real world they're 600+ right now; with an already inflated MSRP. The MSRPs are not great; but the real world pricing is NO WHERE NEAR that unless you get lucky on a very rare FE drop.
 
Exactly, if my uncle or brother could GET an 3080 at MSRP, or just above (say +100-150), they'd have been fine. But +650?

Its the massive over inflation from the MSRPs that is the issue and has pushed the cards out of the hands of gamers. I mean, the 3060 range should be around 200-350 in normal years, with 300+ MSRPs; in real world they're 600+ right now; with an already inflated MSRP. The MSRPs are not great; but the real world pricing is NO WHERE NEAR that unless you get lucky on a very rare FE drop.

And the RTX 40xx series will start where the AIB`s are currently selling the 30xx cards for
 
When Turing 2080ti cards were release they were £1250 MSRP, people were outraged and people who bought them got a hammering, now Ampere 3080ti cards go for £1500, and seeing theres a few Asus Strix available now at £1961, so the next 4080 gen cards will got for £1500 MSRP i reckon, with the top end at a minimum 2 grand, it will be the gen after that, 5000 series, we might hope to see decently price cards

I can imagine if a crypto crash and all the tens of thousands of GPU's becoming useless to the miners, they wont even get £500 for a 3090
 
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