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Anyone just given up on looking for a new GPU?

4K8KW10 said:
It's better to stay without a computer than to pay more than 200% the MSRP.

This is all very artificial and very unfair towards the 'poor' customers.

AMD and Nvidia must be sued for this situation.
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How's suing AMD & Nvidia going to work? They aren't the ones selling at exorbitant prices
 
The problem is the scalpers buying 20 cards, and then selling them for triple the purchase price. Or miners buying 20 cards and chucking them in the basement and running them 24/7 in the mines.
 
Harlequin said:
TSMC have already said that 5nm will be vastly more expensive than 7nm to make. High costs will be around a while
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Exactly my point, more expensive next gen and minor bumps incoming, for AMD and Nvidia. People think this gen we are in now is expensive and will blame it on bitcoin, but reality is it's not just due to short supply or bitcoin. Next gen will be like 20xx series again minor bumps and high prices. This gen has also told AMD and Nvidia they priced their GPUs wrong and the market is not as they thought. Thanks to that more expense is incoming for pc builders in the future.
 
Nirurin said:
The car industry is currently running on chip shortages too. Has been for a while.
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drnathan31 said:
The car industry has been facing shortages for a long time now in regards to computer chips. Quick google is all it takes to find out more! Knowledge is at your fingertips
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The automotive industry faces shortages because the main demand is moved towards someone else who buys more chips.
Also, they buy older processes, definitely not 7nm and impossible 5nm.

Your theory also doesn't explain why there are currently no shortages in the CPU market.

This could mean that other components on the graphics cards' PCB could have some type of supply issue but again this is very hard to prove in this way.
 
This situation is totally not Nvidia or AMD's design. Mining/manufacturing shut down due to COVID just like the rest of us - exactly when consumers wanted the kit to fill time when on lockdown. It's a global situation outside their control.
Whether they've capitalised on it since is another conversation...
 
4K8KW10 said:
The automotive industry faces shortages because the main demand is moved towards someone else who buys more chips.
Also, they buy older processes, definitely not 7nm and impossible 5nm.

Your theory also doesn't explain why there are currently no shortages in the CPU market.

This could mean that other components on the graphics cards' PCB could have some type of supply issue but again this is very hard to prove in this way.
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The process might be different, but there is still overlap in the raw materials, which is one of the things that is causing the shortage.

You think that Nvidia are artificially slowing their production of GPUs? Why? Because they're allergic to money?

It's not Nvidia who are profiting from this, it's the scalpers. Nvidia are making their normal profit margin on each card, it's the scalpers who are making 100-200% profit on each sale. It would be in Nvidias best interest to flood the market with as many cards as possible.
 
Yep, I've given up! I built a new PC a few months back AMD 5800X CPU, Tomahawk B550 MB, new 3600mhz RAM, new 1440p 240hz monitor etc but still can't play quite a few new games as I've only got a GTX 960, at least it's a 4GB model!

So yeah, this GPU can't even support the latest display port spec so I can't even test above 144hz (if I manage to run it)!
 
Nirurin said:
They've actually been in stock for over 24 hours now, which must be a record. Unfortunately I'm here with money in my pocket and no way to purchase a card from them lol.




How is it good for work related tasks? NVLink doesn't let you pool memory (unless you're using a quadro), unless they've changed the specifications for it since I last checked. Linking together two 2070s still gets you only 8gb of working vram. Sure, you will run renders at (almost) twice the speed of a single 2070, but you'll also be using twice the power and outputting twice the heat.

In any case, you're better off with a single 3070.

In your case you're using 2x 3090s, which I guess is an edge case, as there's no single card that can match that (yet, anyway). Are you actually getting 48gb of usable vram though, or just 24?
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https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Quad-GeForce-RTX-3090-in-a-desktop---Does-it-work-1935/

VRAM pooling depends on your application and also you can write code to use both gpus in parallel if they don't pool so they both get different data and use the full VRAM without copying the same data set to the other, that's never been a problem for people that write their own applications or applications that support it in parallel as many do to get round Nvidias VRAM pooling on previous cards, 3090s on my work applications pool VRAM and we see 48GB to use, games so far that I have seen that use both cards are not pooling VRAM from what I can tell and are just holding the same data on both cards so really only using half the VRAM of 2 cards or basically the max memory of one card and copying the data to the second or third or forth card.

Heat and power have nothing to do with performance required, when one card is not used it idles and when used it's doing what it needs to do to increase performance. Not sure why you state "you're better off with a single 3070" as a 3070 doesn't even have enough VRAM for the tasks I require, the 3090 is the only card able to do what I need on the GForce line or a RTX Titan or the A6000 and such cards that were classed as Quadro in the past but now Quadro naming is dead but the A-series new cards with 24GB+ VRAM would be required and they all cost more than a 3090, so as said the 3090 is a godsend this time for people using them for work and don't need Titan or Quadro class drivers, basically Nvidia charging users for something they don't use in most cases.


Also as I stated on another post :-

The AIB blower 3090 cards were silently put into EOL as Nvidia was not happy they were being used in workstations and servers, where they wanted people to buy their Quadro cards like the A6000.

The 3090 as a whole is now rumored to go EOL and some are even saying the 3080 too. Guessing this is due to Nvidia wanting to keep the good chips for their "Quadro" range A6000 etc instead of the 3090 and the 3080 clearly is not making them enough money so pushing the bad chips to the 3080Ti and maybe a 3080 super type card to take over the 3080. This is all roumor at the moment but seems to be spoken about more and more recently, who knows what Nvidia will do, maybe just a way to refresh the cards and raise the prices at the same time because a new SKU and kill off the old skus and sending them EOL.
 
Purgatory said:
Not sure why you state "you're better off with a single 3070" as a 3070 doesn't even have enough VRAM for the tasks I require
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You misunderstand. I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was referring to my comparison between 2x 2070 supers in SLI, vs a single 3070.

I then went on to talk about your specific use case of 3090s being a possible edge case where the nvlink could be worthwhile.

You seem to have skimmed my post without actually reading it, as you went on to agree with everything I said... while implying I was incorrect lol. Happens on the internet all the time. Always amuses me.
 
Throughout my time gaming I've never cared too much for graphics. I've always been performance over visuals. However now I know I have a slim to nothing chance of getting a card, all of a sudden I am craving being able to play some of my games on ultra high settings. Can't wait to play Bannerlord.
 
anderton46 said:
Throughout my time gaming I've never cared too much for graphics. I've always been performance over visuals. However now I know I have a slim to nothing chance of getting a card, all of a sudden I am craving being able to play some of my games on ultra high settings. Can't wait to play Bannerlord.
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Haha, exact same here, but after seeing a monitor do above 60hz, and then going back to a 60hz and it feeling like a slideshow, I'm hooked on high FPS!

Now I want to experience 240hz at least on a few games, and to test my new monitor works at it's advertised spec but now it's been too long since I bought it anyway thanks to the GFX card market!

Part of it is my lack of free time these days, I just want to play a game once at decent quality and move on.
 
Nirurin said:
You misunderstand. I wasn't talking about you specifically. I was referring to my comparison between 2x 2070 supers in SLI, vs a single 3070.

I then went on to talk about your specific use case of 3090s being a possible edge case where the nvlink could be worthwhile.

You seem to have skimmed my post without actually reading it, as you went on to agree with everything I said... while implying I was incorrect lol. Happens on the internet all the time. Always amuses me.
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Ahha gotcha, naa I didn't skim it, just was a little confused what you mean't, also my system was not designed for gaming, it was designed for my work first and of course as it's my main system I will be using it for some flight sim and some gaming too, but it's main task is for work.

If it was for gaming as a main task, it would have a 3080 or 6800xt in it at max, even the 3080ti are not worth it for gaming this time and anyone buying a 3090 for gaming only well needs their head checked and same for the 3080ti sadly this time. BUT due to shortages people have probably been buying the higher card than they really wanted to, so can't blame them too if they need a working pc and have no other gpu for now, also I feel these people that purchased a 3090 or 3080ti are going to keep their gpus longer than normal so overall will make a good buy if they keep the card for a couple of generations and then they may look at an upgrade so 3090 and 3080ti people next sensible update is for the 5090 and 5080ti or the gen after, IF the performance increase and value is right.
 
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LaurenceGough said:
Haha, exact same here, but after seeing a monitor do above 60hz, and then going back to a 60hz and it feeling like a slideshow, I'm hooked on high FPS!

Now I want to experience 240hz at least on a few games, and to test my new monitor works at it's advertised spec but now it's been too long since I bought it anyway thanks to the GFX card market!

Part of it is my lack of free time these days, I just want to play a game once at decent quality and move on.
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60Hz to 120Hz feels like a big jump and same for 60Hz to 144Hz, but 120Hz to 240Hz doesn't feel like as big as a jump and same for 360Hz.
 
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