Anyone non-panic buying?

Doobedoo said:
As others have said it’ll be a number of different reasons no doubt Brexit has played a part, it’s just not the reason that others are trying make it out as.
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What happened to you? This seems like a fair and balanced post. Are you woke now?
 
dLockers said:
What happened to you? This seems like a fair and balanced post. Are you woke now?
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The thing that is I care about Brexit about as much now as I did back when everyone was getting all frothy and being whipped up into a frenzy by the media.

It’s a subject I despise as much now as when it was talked about, from dusk til dawn every single day. Just let it go people you have about as much control over the outcome of things as I do. Diddly squat.
 
Problem is the UK population aren't interested in produce picking. Back in the 80s and 90s, it was common for farms to employ students for 6-8 weeks and sleep in barns, tents etc. Then foreign students did this. Now due to Brexit etc - this thing doesn't happen anymore so more produce rots. Give the picking to those need to do community service.
 
Murphy said:
Indeed, it's a contributing factor and how much it's contributing is debatable but anyone who says it's either entirely or not at all to blame is living in denial.

One things for certain it's not made things better as people were lead to believe.
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People were dubbed into the money paid into the EU would go into the NHS!

Yeah right!
 
Doobedoo said:
It’s a subject I despise as much now as when it was talked about, from dusk til dawn every single day. Just let it go people you have about as much control over the outcome of things as I do. Diddly squat.
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It's amazing how the media has to give a refresh on the purpose of the NIP, I'd like to see a youguv(or non Con) poll on how much the average person remembers of brexit.
it's like covid too, where people romanticize the impact of the lock-downs, as though it was the blitz, especially in juxtaposition to the suffering of people of Ukraine.


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BBC seems to have half rehashed the apple saga which was in the news/grocer a month back,

One third of new apple trees have not been planted by growers due to soaring production costs, British Apples & Pears has revealed.
The grower body carried out a survey of its members, who represent 80% of the British topfruit industry, and found that 150,000 new apple and pear trees have been cancelled for this season.
The intention from growers had been to invest in the long-term future orchards by planting 480,000 new trees, BAP said. However, one third of those orders had now been cancelled.
BAP executive chair Ali Capper attributed the move to unsustainable supermarket returns. She explained input costs had risen by 23% over the past year, which had been “met with almost static average fruit prices paid by retailers”.

Capper had first warned that growers were reducing plantings at the end of last year, when she told The Grocer low returns were “endemic” across fresh produce, while the relationship between growers and retailers had in many cases deteriorated.
BAP members had reported receiving an average 0.8% year-on-year increase in what supermarkets paid them for their fruit, despite an independent report by Andersons Consulting recommending they should receive a minimum 12% increase in returns.
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Apple trees need to go on strike
 
cheesefest said:
Problem is the UK population aren't interested in produce picking. Back in the 80s and 90s, it was common for farms to employ students for 6-8 weeks and sleep in barns, tents etc. Then foreign students did this. Now due to Brexit etc - this thing doesn't happen anymore so more produce rots. Give the picking to those need to do community service.
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Officially there is 67.89 million, most likely 68 to 69 million, probably more. There are 37.3 million acres in the UK, this includes build up areas like Roads, towns etc.. deduct that from the total.
We need around 2-4 acres to feed each person in the UK. ( remember land needs to recover every few years).
Once you picture this You realise that we can’t increase our population, and come to understand that if there is a world war this country is truly @@@@@.
 
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Murphy said:
Maybe it's just my memory but i can't recall shortages of basic items before that, at least not on the sort of regular basis that we're now seeing.
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Regular basis?

We have had a few years of extraordinary disruption due to measures brought in due to a global pandemic that kicked in just as we were actually leaving the EU and an energy crisis due to a war on the edge of Europe that has caused fuel prices to rocket.

If you look at the reporting outside of the UK the same two issues for Northern Europe come up again and again.

1) supplies from Southern Europe and Northern Africa are lower than expected due to adverse weather

And

2) production in Northern Europe of things like out of season tomatoes has been slashed due to the massive increases in energy costs.

I've still yet to find one source for someone in the distribution channels for Ireland who has gone on record with the media to say that the UK leaving the EU is a significant source for their issues. Because their media again have sources mentioning disruption to the supply and to transport from locations in southern Europe and N Africa and the issues around Northern European growers either not growing some stuff at all out of season or delaying planting due to energy costs.
 
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There have been times with shortages of produce before due to weather Cauliflowers (£2.25 for a pathetic sized one), Oranges - including satsumas etc, tinned tomatoes (as 99% are grown in Italy). There are others but can’t remember them.
 
Caracus2k said:
Regular basis?

We have had a few years of extraordinary disruption due to measures brought in due to a global pandemic that kicked in just as we were actually leaving the EU and an energy crisis due to a war on the edge of Europe that has caused fuel prices to rocket.

If you look at the reporting outside of the UK the same two issues for Northern Europe come up again and again.

1) supplies from Southern Europe and Northern Africa are lower than expected due to adverse weather

And

2) production in Northern Europe of things like out of season tomatoes has been slashed due to the massive increases in energy costs.

I've still yet to find one source for someone in the distribution channels for Ireland who has gone on record with the media to say that the UK leaving the EU is a significant source for their issues. Because their media again have sources mentioning disruption to the supply and to transport from locations in southern Europe and N Africa and the issues around Northern European growers either not growing some stuff at all out of season or delaying planting due to energy costs.
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“Wahwahwah…. I didn’t make a poor decision, it can’t be true. I am NOT an idiot. Waaaaahhh WAHWAHWAH”
 
Caracus2k said:
Because their media again have sources mentioning disruption to the supply and to transport from locations in southern Europe and N Africa and the issues around Northern European growers either not growing some stuff at all out of season or delaying planting due to energy costs.
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Disruptions yes, shortages because of those Disruptions no. The fact of the matter is you yourself have highlighted what the problems are that have caused the disruptions and in no way do i dispute those, we had them all the time when we were EU members. The difference is those disruptions didn't turn into shortages the majority of the time because we could do what members of the EU are doing right now, changing suppliers, paying a little more, and getting alternative supplies shipped to them in a matter of hours.

You have perhaps inadvertently highlighted exactly why putting up barriers to trade with your nearest and largest trading partner (aka: Brexit) has caused the shortages.
 
Murphy said:
Disruptions yes, shortages because of those Disruptions no. The fact of the matter is you yourself have highlighted what the problems are that have caused the disruptions and in no way do i dispute those, we had them all the time when we were EU members. The difference is those disruptions didn't turn into shortages the majority of the time because we could do what members of the EU are doing right now, changing suppliers, paying a little more, and getting alternative supplies shipped to them in a matter of hours.

You have perhaps inadvertently highlighted exactly why putting up barriers to trade with your nearest and largest trading partner (aka: Brexit) has caused the shortages.
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Almost

Weather caused the shortages.
Ferries, trade barriers, utilities pricing, incompetent UK Government (no certainty and no published strategy), and the Moroccan governments decision all just made the situation worse.
I'm sure all the normal bad human behaviour things are happening as well, over buying, speculators trying to see if they can make the situation worse etc

CapitalOne said:
“Wahwahwah…. I didn’t make a poor decision, it can’t be true. I am NOT an idiot. Waaaaahhh WAHWAHWAH”
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I've started taking a new approach with this type. Ask them what the negatives from Brexit have been, when they say "nothing" you know your trying to engage with someone who has no intention of engaging with the truth.
 
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