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Mr Men said:
He edited the post.
Anyone still after a Playstation 3?
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He edited the post.
wwwebber said:Nice mock up.
Now I'll really give you somethng to chew on you snip snip snip
Theres one right there.
I really couldnt care less what you or anyone else thinks, Im not trying to deny anyone an opinion. I just hate the fact that you have to insult Kreeee over the fact he thinks the PS3 isnt worth £425
kalanium said:Theres one right there.
I really couldnt care less what you or anyone else thinks, Im not trying to deny anyone an opinion. I just hate the fact that you have to insult Kreeee over the fact he thinks the PS3 isnt worth £425
What?
Kreee posted a snipped quote that he claimed to be offensive, a post nobody else could find might I add
Kreee is the one doing the insulting here
kalanium said:Theres one right there.
I really couldnt care less what you or anyone else thinks, Im not trying to deny anyone an opinion. I just hate the fact that you have to insult Kreeee over the fact he thinks the PS3 isnt worth £425
Now, let me explain. I posted that in response to Kreeee's blatant attempt to enflame things with a false quote. I fully expected the forum to censor what I subsequently said in order to create what should have been a tame joke and inoffensive post. What I didn't expect was for it to make it through uncensored and be posted as is - I was quite horrified to be honest and immediately amended it. It's even got a smiley on it. Yes I made a mistake which seems to have added weight to Kreeees original claim. You decide.
I never insulted Kreeee and I respect opinion - now lay off me.
Mr Men said:
Can I just say thanks - I usually post in the PC area and never thought things could get so hot down here so quickly. Yes my original post was maybe a bit flippant (see page 1) but I genuinly thought I'd followed that up with some thoughtful and sensible comments.
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JUMPURS said:
Kind of
Some people have said they will wait until it is affordable and others are saying that we are being unreasonable for suggesting that the PS3 price should and will drop. Its all very surreal. Oh and one or 2 members have made offensive comments. (Apparently)
Kronologic said:
Each to their own, though xbox aint cheap when you need to buy 2 cos they break
sorry my wee bitch still in a bad mood lol u playing Halo 2 tonight Krono?Lemme guess Kreewee in the middle of it all
JUMPURS said:
It pretty much is a thread like that. Yes, you can buy a 360 for far less and buy then just the components that you want. I agree that works well for some. The way I think Sony is attacking it is that they are guaranteeing a minumum spec to developers. They can develop code safe in the knowledge that all machines contain this hardware. They are also differentiating the product as to try and seperate themselves from a direct comparison with the 360. They are simply trying to occupy a different segment in the market.
The above is a quick summary of something that I posted earlier.
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JUMPURS said:Each to their own, though xbox aint cheap when you need to buy 2 cos they break
Lemme guess Kreewee in the middle of it all
I am playing Halo2 at some point tonight. I have some coursework due in today that I have to start (and complete). Miss K will be on and hopefully some others.
wwwebber said:
I reported his thread. As far as I can see you haven't said anything personal, whereas he has regarding Age etc. Cheap comment from behind a keyboard tbh (Plus why make sly digs about age when his own age is not declared, in his profile?), and he changed his post as well, It was more offensive before the edit, but I can't recall what it said.
Sad to say it is actually like this in CG&H a lot these days.
Anyway its RTMd which should be the end of it.
On Topic: I'm not after a PS3 as I have one already
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dannyjo22 said:
Its unrealistic price cuts that is what I find incredible to believe - people expecting 25% reduction or more is what i find laughable
I am more than happy with the quality and usage I am getting from my PS3 and dont see it dimming at all (folding at home while at work /asleep, gaming quite regularly and already have about 10 BR films purchased) I actually think its priced about right and would prefer it to be more expensive and well designed and built rather than being cheap and plastiky and a huge number failing - you pay your money and take your choice, so far PS3 as a design is completely reliable something MS have admitted X360 is not
The price WILL drop I know it will but I highlydoubt by the amount some people are expecting / wanting
As I aluded earlier in this thread (or perhaps it was another thread on here) I fully agree that if a person IS ONLY interested in games - right now the PS3 is too expensive, but the value of the ps3 will increase when more choice of software is released that these people are interested in - this is the fundamental way people are going to see it increase in value for them imo rather than actual massive price drops
Trojen - I have no understanding at all about what you said regarding skimming as every console since they have begun (im pretty sure every nintendo (upto the wii anyway - not sure whether wii is though) and sega one and certainly every Sony and MS console have sold at a MASSIVE loss and also that the PS2 is the only one ever to actually eventually make a profit from the console itself (not from games and add-ons) . This is a given and has been clearly stated by every manufacturer - how can therefore the street price be artificially high if on every console they make a loss?
I fully agree that the whole game plan of console manufacturers is to sell enough games to each owner of the console to put that unit into profit but I cant see your statement about the inital price being artificially high to start with ( I think Sony lose $300 or something on every US console -60GB version -sold)
Factually wrong also its not over £450 - its £425 full rrp and even some packages are lower than that already
Maybe I have misunderstood you but I dont believe so
rp2000 said:I reported his thread. As far as I can see you haven't said anything personal, whereas he has regarding Age etc. Cheap comment from behind a keyboard tbh (Plus why make sly digs about age when his own age is not declared, in his profile?), and he changed his post as well, It was more offensive before the edit, but I can't recall what it said.
Sad to say it is actually like this in CG&H a lot these days.
Anyway its RTMd which should be the end of it.
On Topic: I'm not after a PS3 as I have one already
rp2000
Thank you and let's hope it's all finished now.
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Frank,
Actually you are wrong about the historical loss leader approach of games consoles.
Before the PS2 IIRC all consoles were sold at face value or for a profit. Nintendo has never made a loss on a console yet (AFAIK)
The PS2 was originally sold at a slight loss, and the Xbox at a huge loss, (it remained the same cost to manufacture throughout its life time but still had massive price cuts).
The PS2 has been making a profit per console for years now.
The 360 is already making a profit per console as MS have improved their manufacturing process.
the PS3 will follow suit. Initially it will make a huge loss per console, but once the manufacturing process is optimized it will not make as much of a loss, if any per console. Eventually it will be profitable.
it not in any way unreasonable to expect a price cut of 25% for the console. in the next 2 years as that is part of the games console trend. They are very expensive in the first few years and then gradually drop in price until they hit about the 100-150 mark. At which point the manufacturer brings out their next generation console.
Furthermore if the PS3 does not drop to within my affordable range I will not buy one. Simple. Who loses out me or Sony? I can still but most games for the 360, I will also be able to get a HDDVD player for relatively little. Sony will not get my custom for games or Blu-rays. Ok I am only one consumer, but I think there are a lot more people that think as I do.
If Sony do drop the prices then I can buy their console, their games and Blu-rays to play on the console (where the blu-ray is the best or only format for the film in question)
Actually you are wrong about the historical loss leader approach of games consoles.
Before the PS2 IIRC all consoles were sold at face value or for a profit. Nintendo has never made a loss on a console yet (AFAIK)
The PS2 was originally sold at a slight loss, and the Xbox at a huge loss, (it remained the same cost to manufacture throughout its life time but still had massive price cuts).
The PS2 has been making a profit per console for years now.
The 360 is already making a profit per console as MS have improved their manufacturing process.
the PS3 will follow suit. Initially it will make a huge loss per console, but once the manufacturing process is optimized it will not make as much of a loss, if any per console. Eventually it will be profitable.
it not in any way unreasonable to expect a price cut of 25% for the console. in the next 2 years as that is part of the games console trend. They are very expensive in the first few years and then gradually drop in price until they hit about the 100-150 mark. At which point the manufacturer brings out their next generation console.
Furthermore if the PS3 does not drop to within my affordable range I will not buy one. Simple. Who loses out me or Sony? I can still but most games for the 360, I will also be able to get a HDDVD player for relatively little. Sony will not get my custom for games or Blu-rays. Ok I am only one consumer, but I think there are a lot more people that think as I do.
If Sony do drop the prices then I can buy their console, their games and Blu-rays to play on the console (where the blu-ray is the best or only format for the film in question)
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Kronologic said:
Are you including the research and development costs or just in pure sales terms- I have always understood every console to be in the red including r& d costs - but I may be mistaken
There is no way in the world MS have made a profit on the whole developement of X360 yet - but I am sure they are selling them for more now than its currently costing them (ie every bit of profit is paying off some of the r&d "debt")
Well its a bit daft imo to set an arbitrary value of £100-£150 on two seperate units one of which had original rrp of £210 I seem to recall against another thats £425 (ie minimum reduction of £60 compared to £275) its quie esasy to see Ms hitting that mark in the very near future - but I cant see Sony getting anywhere near that in the next few years
Personally think the sales model for the PS3 cant easily be compared with past consoles as it isnt just for playing games - sometime in the future this thought will either be proved right or wrong, who knows which way it will go
FrankJH said:We can all change quotes to show completely different intentions doesnt mean its a clever thing to do
BTW the above is ONLY an example, it is in no way what im thinking
edited due to thinking I had been too rash
Well it wasn't different intentions to me. I read it as you were happy with the price and wouldn't mind it being higher.
Now the way i see it is that im not happy with the price for what i want from it.
See completely different opinions that's the point that i was trying to make. Just because you deem it to be a good price, doesn't mean me and others do.
I wasn't trying to be clever either, just merely cut something you said out so i didn't need to quote the whole thing.
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