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Glaucus i think you are blinded by enthusiasm, this happens a lot on here on a range of topics :p

what rubbish, you ignored 90%, then calked it a jolly to make it sound even worse. you are the one blinded and totally unable to discuss it, seeing as you ignored basically everything.
 
There are many reasons to invest heavily in space travel.

Advancements in technology
It may have the ability to bring the planet together
Resources
Colonisation of other worlds

Who knows what we may find out there!

How can someone not have a sense of adventure? Do you just do the same thing day in day out? Are you Sheldon Cooper? :o

Ok, i buy the resource thing, in theory. Fair enough. This isnt something that will become an issue for a very long time, i guess i am being shortsighted.

Colonisation of other worlds though? Really? No-one even wants to live in huge (most of) the planet we already live on, look how developed the world is, humans are tiny dots in the scheme of the land mass which we have.
 
what rubbish, you ignored 90%, then calked it a jolly to make it sound even worse. you are the one blinded and totally unable to discuss it, seeing as you ignored basically everything.

No mate, you do the same thing every time, you mentioned that the most important aspect was the sense of adventure and the exploration. I think its fair to paraphrase that as being a jolley :)

Enthusiasm is good, you seem to have tons of it for every conceivable subject regardless of the realities of it :p
 
Multi planet species dramatically increase survival chance.
We might have undeveloped parts of the world. But we are far from insignificant. We have huge impacts on the entire earth, ecosystems etc.

People do want to live on mars. Private companies want to send humans to live on mars taxpayer free.

And you are still ignoring the thousands and thousands of technologies derived from space exploration. You are refusing to even acknowledge it, let alone look it up.



And yet agony you ignore everything. And no I don't have enthusiasm for everything. I tend to post in threads I"m interested in, which is actually very narrow range.
 
And they did take numerous high quality photos with the Hasselblads that they took up there.

Funny you taking this line though. One of the usual Hoax lines that gets trotted out is that the photographs that they took up there are too high quality!

err, you mean like they did do that actual thing???????????

Wouldn't it be nice if Energize just said "Oh thank you, I didn't realise that" but no matter what facts you spout it will be onto the next 'problem'.

I love CT'ers, you've got a bunch of them who don't believe man walked on the moon while another bunch think Aliens were watching them from behind the hills.
 
Ok, i buy the resource thing, in theory. Fair enough. This isnt something that will become an issue for a very long time, i guess i am being shortsighted.

Colonisation of other worlds though? Really? No-one even wants to live in huge (most of) the planet we already live on, look how developed the world is, humans are tiny dots in the scheme of the land mass which we have.
Really? There's already pressures on fresh water supply and arable land acreage which will all get worse as the less developed areas of the world catch up with our standard of living, not to mention a continued increase in population.

Personally I think we should be looking longer term and doing the things now to set things in place to start leaving the planet and moving outwards rather than leaving it to the point were the planet's eco-system has been damaged to the point that it causes a collapse in society.
 
Personally I think we should be looking longer term and doing the things now to set things in place to start leaving the planet and moving outwards rather than leaving it to the point were the planet's eco-system has been damaged to the point that it causes a collapse in society.

The other thing people forget is technology is a progression, you stop researching and technology stalls. You can't then in hundred years just build something massively better than we have now.

Look at reaction engines limited, which are developing sabre engines for a space plane.
However these engines could be used for cheap supersonic passenger flight, military are also super interested. But you can't just get to that stage in one leap. It's taken decades of rocket technology, then decades on the interchanger.

If you just stop funding, we would hover have got to where we are, where private companies are starting to take over from governments. But if governments never spent that money in the first place, you wouldn't have the private companies now.
 
I think i will concede that i am simply not a visionary and let everyone else get on with it. :)

I have never had an interest in space or anything sci fi related, i fall asleep when it comes to anything like that. Ditto the preservation of natural resources or worrying about the future. I am more wrapped up in my little earth life, more worried about whether i should move house or whether my next car will have a certain amount of power and whatnot :p
 
Which is fine, not everyone can or should be interested in everything. You should be able to see benefits though.

NASA has a whole page of spinoffs, created by space exploration. Many of which you will use or know off. Things like ear temperature probes are thanks to human space exploration. Fire resistant polymers thanks to Apollo mission.
And thousands of others. Hundreds of medical items, thanks to the human research on board the iss.
Like your scratch resistant glass? First developed by nasa.

NASA has a spinoff website, which lists most of their spinoff technology for every year for decades. http://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff/database/
 
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I will take the time to read that :) While i am not interested in space or resources, i certainly am interested in technology in general.
 
And they did take numerous high quality photos with the Hasselblads that they took up there.

Funny you taking this line though. One of the usual Hoax lines that gets trotted out is that the photographs that they took up there are too high quality!

I'm referring to the image posted in the OP, it's terrible quality, maybe that's not representative of the pictures they took though. :p

Wouldn't it be nice if Energize just said "Oh thank you, I didn't realise that" but no matter what facts you spout it will be onto the next 'problem'.

I love CT'ers, you've got a bunch of them who don't believe man walked on the moon while another bunch think Aliens were watching them from behind the hills.

Conspiracy theory? Err right....
 
I must be the only person on this forum who fails to see what the point and need of human space travel actually is? I obviously do not group all rocket technology into this, we clearly have a huge need in terms of satellite technology, but what does human travel actually achieve other than blowing billions of dollars every year worldwide?

Walking on the moon for example, great fun i am sure for all involved. But why? We gained nothing from this did we?

"Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation may never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas? We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

- John F. Kennedy, Rice University, September 12th 1962.
 
I must be the only person on this forum who fails to see what the point and need of human space travel actually is? I obviously do not group all rocket technology into this, we clearly have a huge need in terms of satellite technology, but what does human travel actually achieve other than blowing billions of dollars every year worldwide?

Walking on the moon for example, great fun i am sure for all involved. But why? We gained nothing from this did we?

You're not alone, I sympathise (to the extent your comments are concerned toward space exploration today).

Edit - Hmmm, actually I've changed my mind on the basis of 'if not now, then never'.
 
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Okay, brilliant plan guys. Let's just stay on this rock throwing sharp things at each other instead of doing something magnificent.

/slowclap
 
I will take the time to read that :) While i am not interested in space or resources, i certainly am interested in technology in general.

Just reading one of the documents from the 70's and apparently things like knowledge learned during fuel tank designs was used to make firefighting gear lighter/better (they used methods developed for spacecraft liquid fuel tanks to make lightweight air tanks for firefighters, and assisted in redesigning the face masks).
Whilst some pacemakers in the 70's benefitted from the batteries developed for satellites, and electronics shrinking/getting lighter to meet NASA requirements.

It sort of goes to show how some of the tech from the space program shows up in odd places.

IIRC NASA more recently developed/assisted in developing the Doppler radar that aircraft use to avoid storm cells and sudden down drafts in a fairly short space of time after several nasty crashes of aircraft during landing approaches.
 
I must be the only person on this forum who fails to see what the point and need of human space travel actually is? I obviously do not group all rocket technology into this, we clearly have a huge need in terms of satellite technology, but what does human travel actually achieve other than blowing billions of dollars every year worldwide?

Walking on the moon for example, great fun i am sure for all involved. But why? We gained nothing from this did we?

Human curiosity being one of them, we have to push forward as a species, we will settle on other worlds one day, this is just the stepping stone that has to be done.

Really though you think we learn nothing from going into space is madness:confused:
 
He is sort of right, Whats the point in the short term spending money when Earth is still a mess? Are we going to find something on the moon or mars or in our solar system that will change everything? Do we not already know about all the different materials in space and in the universe?


So i would rather Earth was sorted first before we pollute it to the point where we are probably better off on Mars. We are still infants on our own planet and putting a few people on Mars will solve nothing at all. We have billions of years to escape the ticking time bomb called the sun. That for me is probably the main reason to get out of town.
 
He is sort of right, Whats the point in the short term spending money when Earth is still a mess? Are we going to find something on the moon or mars or in our solar system that will change everything? Do we not already know about all the different materials in space and in the universe?


So i would rather Earth was sorted first before we pollute it to the point where we are probably better off on Mars. We are still infants on our own planet and putting a few people on Mars will solve nothing at all. We have billions of years to escape the ticking time bomb called the sun. That for me is probably the main reason to get out of town.

if you take that sort of attitude, why bother with space exploration (including such things we take for granted as satellites), at all.

One of the key things about space exploration is that it tends to drive research into materials and the sciences in general, which has a massive affect on things on the planet.

You could say why are the third world governments bothering with things like mobile phone and internet infrastructure as they've got people starrving, except that "high tech" and seemingly useless under the conditions tech is being used to drive education, both at the general level, and at the targeted level with things like farming and healthcare/family planning being taught using the tech.
Increasingly the photovoltaic cells developed for bigger, better, more capable satellites are being used to help provide basic power in large parts of the world.
Something as simple as a small light powered by a rechargeable battery* that is recharged by a solar panel assists in allowing people to learn in the evening, and NASA was conducting experiments with an early TV broadcast satellite in the 70's to put TV with educational programming into towns and villages in the backwoods of India.

If we waited for the worlds problems to be sorted we'd never get round to space exploration, not least because there will almost certainly always be problems that the money could be spent on, but space exploration has a huge number of side benefits for everything from entertainment and education, to locating and warning people of dangers, weather forecasting these days relies very heavily on satellites for advance warning of incoming weather, which helps protect people from extreme weather conditions, and possibly more importantly help farmers know when it's the best time to harvest their crops or pull their herds in.



*From memory the space programmes have pushed that technology massively, as reliable, lightweight power sources are a necessity in space travel (and rather funnily mobile phones have pushed it more recently, along with things like efficient, small motors).
 
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