Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

Crafty said:
Hilarious.

I can just see Glaucus in a courtroom, strutting his stuff..

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, don't listen to him [the opposition], what he says doesn't matter!"
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:rolleyes:

Now read what I said. Lawyers are not judges. They put arguments forward, for or against. So far nolawyerhas convinced a court that FRAND is worthless. The courts have ruled in favor that FRAND has to be ad heard to. It really is as simple as that untilla time they get a win. But as they lose more and more, a bigger precendence gets sets that makes a u-turn less likely. Also there time is running out as eu wants to make new patent laws.

Or in your world are both lawyers correct in every case?
 
Apple lawyers still believe Samsung should pull its popular Galaxy line of devices including smartphones and tablets from the United States and leave the market to proprietary handsets from Apple and Microsoft.
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Since when did MS own or even build the current W8 phones?

How is MS a proprietor of phones and companies like Samsung and HTC are not as this quite is implying?

As I said before, Apple and MS seem to be cosy-ing up in the mobile sector at least....
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Apple is now trying to make the judge order Samsung to give them $3 billion:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=27737
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Given how bent the original trial was you know they'll win their appeal :(

iPhone 5 sales must really be poor for them to feel the need to triple the payout all of a sudden. Perhaps their customers have finally realised they're basically buying the same phone over and over again and are sticking with what they've got this time.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Given how bent the original trial was you know they'll win their appeal :(

iPhone 5 sales must really be poor for them to feel the need to triple the payout all of a sudden. Perhaps their customers have finally realised they're basically buying the same phone over and over again and are sticking with what they've got this time.
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The iPhone 5 has been twice as successful as the 4S so far so I doubt it's that. :p
 
Raikiri said:
Samsung, the only company to make adverts more up their own arse than Apple.
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Noticed this on BBC:

Apple faces becoming embroiled in a further US patent clash after Samsung said it intended to sue the firm over technology in the new iPhone 5.

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Apple's latest iPhone - due for release on Friday - is set to be the focal point of another lawsuit involving the two firms.

Samsung has filed paperwork with a California court saying it intends to extend complaints made against existing Apple handsets to include the new device. It indicated that it believed at least eight of its US patents had been infringed.
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Most likely FRAND so get ready Glaucus, bam0 and Crafty ;) :p



Elsewhere, Apple also faces a claim that its iMessage technology involves techniques that should have been licensed from Google's Motorola unit.

The US International Trade Commission (ITC) has voted to investigate the allegation in addition to six other infringement claims.
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Google now entering the arena at last? I know they helped out HTC with some patents before and also Motorola have did it before but this is now Google getting in on it.



One patent lawyer, who used to act for Apple in Europe, said the amount of litigation the firm was now involved in was a concern.

"From Apple's perspective you reap what you sow," said Andrew Alton, a lawyer at Urquhart-Dykes and Lord.

"It started this by filing lawsuits about patents relating to unique software features, and it now faces allegations that hardware parts of its devices infringe others' technologies - they would be much harder to change if it loses.

"Fighting litigation is always a drain on resources. Apple has a large amount of cash, but you have to ask whether the money would be better spent on R&D than lawyers."
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Take it how you will. He USED to act for Apple in Europe. Did he leave/fired under a cloud hence his comments or are they accurate?


Ultimately I think he might have a slight point. The volume of litigation that Apple is now becoming embroiled in, in both directions, is getting pretty hefty.


Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19662049
 
I see Google have added a different zoom gesture to GMaps. You double tap but on the second tap you hold then slide up or down to zoom in and out. Most likely implemented as a "just-in-case".

Double tap to zoom and pinch to zoom still work.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Given how bent the original trial was you know they'll win their appeal :(

iPhone 5 sales must really be poor for them to feel the need to triple the payout all of a sudden. Perhaps their customers have finally realised they're basically buying the same phone over and over again and are sticking with what they've got this time.
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The sales numbers of the iphone5 has surely got to detract from Apples argument ?
Fastest selling phone ever - so how exactly is Samsung causing harm ?

Groklaw seem to be somewhat biased, but they seem to understand the courts fairly well, seems anything could happen. It would seem Samsung will take this all the way to the Supreme Court if they have to.

More to the point they are openly looking to fix a monopoly - Once they get Samsung out it'll be HTC, Sony, Motorola next.

Swiss Railways not happy with Apple: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/20...s-says-apple-copied-its-iconic-railway-clock/
Samsung may seek iphone5 ban: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/iphone-5-sales-ban-to-be-sought-by-samsung
Level 3 want a bit of the action too : http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...ues-apple-for-itunes-and-icloud-services.html
 
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Crafty said:
They actually want the damages tripled: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57515675-37/apple-wants-$3b-in-damages-from-samsung-says-report/

Not that its about the money you understand...
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No they don't, read the above article.
They are asking for tripling of the damages that are attached to willfulness rulings, which is not the full amount.
Asking for it to be tripled was always going to happen that's the law in USA. Why are you so surprised. Would you go nah **** the law, I think I would settle with initial amount, or would you follow the law. The only reason it wasn't tripped to begin with, is a jury can't decide, it has to be a judge who decides, so it couldn't be done in the original trial. Now they have the jury ruling, the judge can decide the amount.

They should go back to judge rullings. There's an article comparing judge vs jury trials many many many pages ago. Jury's award on average like 10x the amount and have a far worse result when their rulings goes to an appeals court compared to judge rullings.
 
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Just to keep up to date.

Earlier this week Samsung lodged a JMOL, read here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120922171505170
The short of this is that they are asking for a re-trial on the basis that the jury (most notably the foreman) did not do what they swore to do in court. This revolves around the fact that the judge asked them to only judge the case on the evidence presented and not use any prior knowledge they had of patents/patenting.
After the trial the foreman and at least one other juror stated in the media that this was not done. There are other aspects to this, but thats the crux of it.
In this JMOL Samsung have asked the court to forbid both Samsung and Apple from contacting jury members.

Today Apple filed they own JMOL : http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120925231657979, basically asks for a re-trial on everything, all over again.

They also filed an opposition to the Samsung JMOL, saying that they should be able to contact jurors...
 
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