Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

Robbo said:
Not a huge issue really, none of those are all that popular.
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I'd say it's a big deal, but naturally, Apple are appealing the decision. The patent(s) in question appear to fall under FRAND so the situation sounds quite similar to the one Apple had with Nokia. Motorola may face similar patent abuse investigations as Samsung if it's found they have acted inappropriately towards Apple, so I hope for their sake that they are telling the whole truth!
 
mrochester said:
The patent(s) in question appear to fall under FRAND so the situation sounds quite similar to the one Apple had with Nokia.
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Not wholly true. The patent surrounding push notifications does not appear under FRAND as its not considered essential for mobile devices.

It's also worth bearing in mind, that not all countries will issue patents with FRAND as a clause in them.
 
englishpremier said:
Not wholly true. The patent surrounding push notifications does not appear under FRAND as its not considered essential for mobile devices.

It's also worth bearing in mind, that not all countries will issue patents with FRAND as a clause in them.
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I'm talking about the GPRS patent that has resulted in Apple products being removed from sale online in Germany, not the iCloud patent claim.
 
Intresting development with the leaked apple letter and Microsoft just announced they support the view long and short of it is reajustment on cost of FRAND patents and agreeing not to try and block products with FRAND patents.
This all hinges on all other companies who have signed upto FRAND agreeing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16960676
Microsoft has pledged not to block rivals' products if they infringe patents its owns which are deemed "essential" to an industry standard.

Such patents cover intellectual property rights without which widely used formats - such as MP3 sound files or JPEG photos - could not work.

Microsoft's action follows a leaked Apple letter.

The iPhone-maker wrote to European officials saying that all tech firms should sign up to a similar commitment.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-16948544
Apple has asked for more clarity over how patents deemed crucial to industry standards should be handled.
The firm wrote a letter to the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) in November, which has now been reported by the Wall Street Journal.
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Just bored of all the various lawsuits in the news.....

I personally think Apple should wind their neck in, they seem to think they invented the smartphone and tablet PC...
 
Glaucus said:
Intresting development with the leaked apple letter and Microsoft just announced they support the view long and short of it is reajustment on cost of FRAND patents and agreeing not to try and block products with FRAND patents.
This all hinges on all other companies who have signed upto FRAND agreeing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16960676


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-16948544
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As far as I'm aware Microsoft don't exactly have many FRAND patents as they generally aren't involved in hardware standards groups, Apple certainly don't, so of course they want this as it severely limits the effect of not paying, and second makes the amount they 'have' to pay smaller.

If any of the companies that actually make the hardware standards/own the patents sign up to this I'd be amazed.

Lets face it, Motorola are looking for 2.25% of apple's sales iirc, not sure if that is retail price or component price, but one aspect of this proposal is that the amount will be based on the cost of the components that infringe the patents, which is pittance compared to both overall device cost and/or retail cost.
 
Mr Paul said:
Now they are trying to get rid of the Nexus

http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...galaxy-nexus?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter

Words escape me.....
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It actually is worse than that:

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2012/02/apple-requests-us-preliminary.html

It looks like they have now started with voice activated functionality in phones and is trying to hurt Google search:

"a patent related to Siri and unified search, which must be of huge concern to Google with a view to its core business"

"U.S. Patent No. 8,086,604 on a "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system"

This patent relates to the Siri way of doing Internet search. Obviously, Apple wants Siri to be a key differentiator for the iPhone 4S. But this patent isn't important only in connection with Android. If Apple successfully enforces this patent against Samsung, Google will also face a major problem in its own core business, search. Given that Google wholeheartedly endorses Motorola's aggressive actions against Apple, it's of strategic importance for Apple to be able to also pose a threat to future generations of the Google search engine."
 
I would like to see Apple lose a huge lawsuit which either costs them a LOT of money or bans some of their products if only because, IIRC, it was these eejits that started this patent fiasco.

By all means, protect your intellectual property but the ridiculousness of this patent thing is breathtaking....
 
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