Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

Mr Paul said:
Make it STOP!

http://www.shacknews.com/article/75001/apple-patents-game-controller-and-console-remote?

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20120188052.pdf

If this IS granted, bye bye world lol
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It has granted and it's obviously not what you think. It is not a patent for a games controller.

It's a patent on how RFID/NFC chips could be used to interact enabling an iPhone to controll other devices. Game controllers being just one avenue.
The title of the patent itself is "System and Method for Simplified Control of Electronic Devices," and it explains that "A person may use a wide variety of electronic devices each day, [but] initiating and establishing control of each device may involve a series of complicated unintuitive procedures using separate remote controls." By installing a NFC radio-frequency ID chip into all of its future handsets (presumably beginning with the long-awaited iPhone 5), the phone itself could then control any other local device carrying an RFID chip itself.

[Rather than downloading specific apps*to correspond with the separate devices users wish to control, users could instead simply log-in to wireless or sync with local devices and immediately begin using them through iOS itself. While there are plenty of kinks to work out in any system of this scale, any number of practical applications for home and office use spring to mind immediately.

One of them, of course, involves video games. But the alleged "game controller patent" is just one example of the system's potential application. MCV argues that Apple is most likely planning for third-party applications for the new controller functionality, which would explain why the drawings in the patent look so much like the DualShock.

Other uses, of course, would include using an iPhone or iPad to control an Apple TV -- either for gaming itself or just general viewing. Many iOS games already feature virtual joysticks or game pads (touch-screen version of traditional video game controllers), so Apple may simply choose to leave any development of more robust game controllers to third-party developers entirely, continuing their trend of syncing smartphones and tablets to as many other devices as possible.
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You should try reading in to things and ignore headlines, headlines are usually wrong.
 
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Glaucus said:
Several reports says it's been granted, so I'm assuming it's been granted.
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If it was granted it should have a patent number, if you look at the pdf that is hosted on freepatentsonline.com it gives a publication number, is listed as a patent application publication, and was only published on 26th July 2012. This suggests that it has not been granted yet.
 
There's a huge trial going on between Apple and Samsung at the moment. Currently they're arguing over software design influences, and Apple have just got their hands on a large document where Samsung analysed where iOS was superior, and then changed their UI to reflect it.

The Verge have a good page on it all, here: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207848/apple-vs-samsung-complete-trial-coverage

132-page document shows full extent of iPhone's influence on Samsung interface design

Apple succeeded today in getting the entirety of an internal Samsung report comparing the iPhone to its own Galaxy S admitted into evidence. First reported by reported by All Things D, the 132-page document paints a picture of Samsung recognizing superior elements of Apple’s user experience and changes Samsung needed to make in order to improve its own products. In most cases, these "Directions for Improvement" amounted to adding features or details where Apple’s interface was better, and subtracting those things that made Samsung's interface appear complex in comparison. While it's easy now to pick out areas where both iOS and Android engineers borrow from one another for new ideas about functionality, the document shows just how finely Samsung aimed to emulate Apple's user experience in 2010.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/3227289/samsung-apple-ux-ui-interface-improvement/in/2971889
 
Most the Touch Whiz interface looks like the bog standard Android.

The judge didn't allow Samsungs evidence that proved that Apple copied an earlier Sony design. I wonder why?
 
englishpremier said:
Most the Touch Whiz interface looks like the bog standard Android.

The judge didn't allow Samsungs evidence that proved that Apple copied an earlier Sony design. I wonder why?
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Don't need to wonder why, Samsung submitted the "evidence" to late. Why did they not submit it at the correct time.
 
Robbo said:
There's a huge trial going on between Apple and Samsung at the moment. Currently they're arguing over software design influences, and Apple have just got their hands on a large document where Samsung analysed where iOS was superior, and then changed their UI to reflect it.

The Verge have a good page on it all, here: http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/31/3207848/apple-vs-samsung-complete-trial-coverage



http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/3227289/samsung-apple-ux-ui-interface-improvement/in/2971889
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Good article :), i do strongley feel it is getting well petty mind you and every companies always do research on eachother to improve there own products, its like 2 restaurants competeting and both researching eachothers menus to find out how they can improve there own.

in terms of design influences you could say that the microsoft tablet back in 2002 i think had a "design" influence over the Ipad released by apple.

I am a strong beleiver in freedom of choice and healthy competition but with apple practically buying patents they didnt actually invent in the first place to prreduce/prevent competition puts the company in a very negative light.. one of the reasons i am reluctant to buy apple products in general.

Can call me bias towards apple but even though i do not own the products i do like ios and its functionality.

So theres my 2 cence :)
 
Calgar117 said:
with apple practically buying patents they didnt actually invent in the first place to prreduce/prevent competition puts the company in a very negative light.. one of the reasons i am reluctant to buy apple products in general.
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You realise Google has done just that as well right? and they even 'sold' for free patents to some of the Android handset manufacturers to try and help them in legal cases vs Apple and MS?
 
Google bought a whole company (Motorola) just for their patents. :p

They don't seem to know how to use them, though.
 
There is using them for good or using them for evil though ;)

Good being innovating and letting people just get on with it (without taking the ****) or evil being stopping innovation and filling law suits on every man and his dog even though said patents are really sensible...
 
Mr Paul said:
There is using them for good or using them for evil though ;)

Good being innovating and letting people just get on with it (without taking the ****) or evil being stopping innovation and filling law suits on every man and his dog even though said patents are really sensible...
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So they need patents to innovate... what? :confused:
 
I think this quote from the Android forum on The Verge pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole Samsung vs. Apple court case:

Admittedly, this story’s real meat is in the possibility Samsung may lose a ton of money to a patent troll powerhouse who relies on Samsung components for products that strangle the tech world into mind share submission. And when I think about it, I don’t like that possibility at all.
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I know it's not the done thing to criticise 'Saint' Stephen Jobs, but I can't help picking up the stench of a certain amount of hypocrisy wafting out of Cupertino:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

I work with a bunch of iSheep, so I was considering an iPhone 5 when my SGS1 is due for an upgrade in March, but now I don't think I'll bother - I've been massively impressed with an SGS3 I've used recently. Besides, there's a certain satisfaction to be had in being the lone individual going down a different route ... or "Thinking Differently" as I believe Apple used to call it ...
 
Lol Isheep and yet you're a sheep just a member of the opposite herd.

All companies do it, thinking its just apple is your downfall. Samsung is just as bad as are all multinational Coporations. The fact Samsung supply apple, means nothing. It's business as normall for both of them.


Mr Paul said:
Or the judge has an I device ;)
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Retarded comment. Smiley or no smiley, this is a common practice in law that evidence has to be submitted by a set date so the opposite side can view it and come up with a defense. On
Y one side to blame and that's Samsung for not submitting it earlier. But then I find it hard to accept they did it accidentally. Either they new it didn't show muc so added nothing to the case, or it's dodgy. Either way they knew submitting it late was best plan as they could get it refused and go to media and look like the innocent party.

Why can't people see all companies are as bad as each other, they're all dodgy and this is business as usuall for all parties.
 
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