Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

Mr Plow said:
What usually happens in these cases, company x/y will appeal and then we start all over again with Apple trying to lay claim to the rectangle with rounded edges.
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It has a little more then that in the patent, it has refers to a lot of the colours on the home screen, the icon (grid of 4x4) and the 4 icons at the bottom, and a few other things.
 
You do realise that most of apple patents where submitted absolutely years ago.

There's also a massive difference between keyboard "smartphones" in 2006 and the modern smartphone of a one massive touch screen.
 
The typical delay between applying for a patent with the US patent office and it being granted is 4-6 years - to backup Glacus' point.


MADMAN said:
wonder what happens when do we get the final verdict ?
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Samsung are setting themselves up for an early loss, so that they can appeal and add more evidence to the trial.
Reason? somehow Samsung didn't manage to submit all their evidence in the 6 months trial notice - and then tried to spin the story in the media as the Judge being bias to Apple.
 
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Alpherah said:
Samsung are setting themselves up for an early loss, so that they can appeal and add more evidence to the trial.
Reason? somehow Samsung didn't manage to submit all their evidence in the 6 months trial notice - and then tried to spin the story in the media as the Judge being bias to Apple.
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They have been good at grilling the witnesses from apple, and putting there point across that the design doesnt matter for most consumers. Think the battle is a little more even and Samsung are actual holding there own which I didnt think would happen.

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http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/10/3233430/galaxy-s-ii-epic-4g-touch-survey-apple-samsung-trial

Was just reading this, very interesting that many poeple confused Nook's with iPads, and even thought blackberrys came from apple, can this just be down to stupid americans or amazing marketing, I hardly believe anyone Ive ever meet would think a blackberry was made by apple.
 
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Yeah I don;t get that either, Apple complain that people bought galaxy tabs thinking they were buying an ipad..
So they went to a shop and said "I'd like to buy one of those" *points* without saying the name. The retailer responds without identifying the product (i.e. they didn't say "oh a galaxy tab? sure I'll get one from the stockroom"
Product appears with SAMSUNG and Galaxy Tab written on the box, no apple symbol, no iPad name.
Customer pays for the item and walks out the store with it and only realise they don't have an ipad until they get home..

I can't see it happening. I think they've bought it knowing its a different product but believe that it will run iOS apps etc, no doubt encouraged by retailers saying "oh yeah, its just the same as an ipad, but cheaper.."
 
I think anyone with some intellect would argue that Apple's "pinch to zoom" patent is invalid after seeing this:


Adam Bogue from the Mitsubishi Electric Research Lab was next, showing off “DiamondTouch”–which was effectively a table-top computer. The DiamondTouch’s surface had a similar technology to the iPhone to sense finger movement, but displayed images from a computer via a projector above the table’s surface.

The technology, which was developed in 2001, was brought to Apple headquarters in 2003, Bogue said, and shown to several hardware engineers. Bogue didn’t describe the meeting in detail, but said he was asked to sign a document that said nothing he was showing was confidential.

Bogue said the DiamondTouch tables were sold for $9,500 and $12,500 each, and the first sale was to the defense contractor, SAIC. Many units were given to universities.

He showed off two applications: “fractal zoom” and “tablecloth.” Fractal touch was a simple app, Bogue said, which allowed people to zoom in and out of an image by using the standard multitouch finger movements we all know today. Similarly, tablecloth was an app that when someone scrolls beyond the edge of an image on the screen, it would snap back into place.
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Tech was shown to Apple in 2003 which, IMHO, was "stolen" for use in the iPhone. At least, "stolen" in the same context that Apple claim everyone is doing with their tech....
 
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Glaucus said:
You do realise that most of apple patents where submitted absolutely years ago.

There's also a massive difference between keyboard "smartphones" in 2006 and the modern smartphone of a one massive touch screen.
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I must have dreamed of those XDAs I owned between 2004 and 2007 then.
 
Richie said:
I think anyone with some intellect would argue that Apple's "pinch to zoom" patent is invalid after seeing this:






Tech was shown to Apple in 2003 which, IMHO, was "stolen" for use in the iPhone. At least, "stolen" in the same context that Apple claim everyone is doing with their tech....
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Great people steal other peoples ideas remember ;)
 
Also three Samsung phones have been excluded from the case, including the S2 so even if Apple do win the number of "infringing" handsets has been severely reduced.
 
Only the International variants of the Ace, S1 and S2 have been excluded. The official US versions are still in.
 
Richie said:
Only the International variants of the Ace, S1 and S2 have been excluded. The official US versions are still in.
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But most of the case has been around the internation S1 (i1900) which looks the most like the 3gs. That means that most of the evidence till now is some what useless and the other variants looks range from less iPhone to plain ugly.

They still have a case with the software patents but this one has ruined some of the trade dressing if I understand correctly. The new evidence above pokes wholes into the software patents too, so it will be very interesting as to how this turns out.
 
Hopfully the patents will be chucked out, like many thousands of patents from other companies have.

It's the way of the system. It takes someone to take the pants to court to gt them annulled.

Shame the patent talks won't come to any agreement on how to better the system.
 
MADMAN said:
hopefully this does not effect s3 or iphone 5
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It wont, the SGS is some what a clone of the 3gs but the s3 is nothing like the iPhone4/4s or nothing really related to iOS expect the android related things. The s3 has been doing amazingly and I really hope to pushes apple to bring out soemthing great and not just a refreshed phone with a slightly larger screen.
 
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