Apple vs Samsung, court orders Samsung to show Apple 5 new phones

[Fallen god]

Here’s the thing, ladies and gentlemen of the Apple v. Samsung jury: It would take me more than three days to understand all the terms in the verdict! Much less come to a legally binding decision on all of these separate issues. Did you guys just flip a coin?

This basically summons it up, it was a jury of "apple people" who decide from the start more or less apple would win, they then picked samsung products at random and fined them (clearly shown as they didnt find the galaxy tab to infringe the design patent) and they then signed arbitrary numbers in damages so to quote apple's lawyers it wasnt "a slap on the wrist" which is words they really took to heart. I wont agrue that samsung didnt copy because it is rather clear but I reallly think this whole thing should be and no doubt will be re-done but atleast in some netural groud, cause we ssaw the exact opposite happen in Korea.

 

[Raikiri]

Who stole from who apple?

Actually the F700 was first shown in Feb 2007, at CeBit whereas the original iPhone was announced January 9th 2007 at MacWorld.

But don't let the facts get in the way of bashing Apple.

Quite frankly, this is ridiculous and I pour nothing but scorn on Apple and those who support this ruling, who are inadvertently supporting monopolistic practices that stifle innovation and creativity.

How is forcing companies to do things in different ways, rather copy others stifling innovation? Quite the opposite.

 

[wannabedamned]

Actually the F700 was first shown in Feb 2007, at CeBit whereas the original iPhone was announced January 9th 2007 at MacWorld.

2 phones announced a month apart, looking very similar. Its not like Samsung took 30 days to make their phone. To be fair, can we know who designed that first? prototypes, mockups

 

[wannabedamned]

How is forcing companies to do things in different ways, rather copy others stifling innovation? Quite the opposite.

You take what works and build on it, then add to it. Thats the way to get the best end result.

Some patents just seem silly, pinch zoom seems like an obvious touch with a touch screen. How can you patent that? It's like patenting a mouse cursor and mouse click. Has that been done?


Doh....2 posts =\

 

[RizlaKing]

I don't think we can take either rulings in america or korea seriously as both nations will back their respective company regardless of a so called fair trial. International courts outside those two nations will ultimately decide this i think as their rulings will be more rationally approached and handed down. This jury clearly had a bias and that then dictated their entire jury process the complete opposite of what jury's are supposed to do but the koreans are no better so as i said it will come down to who wins what in the other nations with no national interst that will ultimately decide this.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Good table of the verdicts.

Clear shows that much more than "only a 50% side with Apple" claim I saw earlier in this tread.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...t=APPLESAMSUNGVERDICT&articleTabs=interactive

~84% side with Apple.

 

[Raikiri]

2 phones announced a month apart, looking very similar. Its not like Samsung took 30 days to make their phone. To be fair, can we know who designed that first? prototypes, mockups

I'm not claiming that Samsung copied anyone with the F700 though, just that Apple didn't copy Samsung like the picture claims.

 

[Glaucus]

Apple claimed 2.5bill, awarded 1.05bill, so less than 50% on the damage front.

 

[Locky]

So why arent Apple paying $1bn in damages?

Shock as an American company wins in America with an American jury in Apples own back yard against a Korean company

While I'm at it, Have you care to read how the Jury came to it's verdicts?, it's complete lolworthy, they may as well worked for Apple tbh.

 

[semi-pro waster]

In regards to the whole court case, someone posted this on Twitter and it was re-tweeted by Stephen Fry. I am epically lost for words.

Some of those points are really reaching e.g. "They just had to make it black and white." - well yes, it's the obvious choice if you're making different colourings for phones. The recording app doesn't look anything much alike except that there's a picture of a microphone there and it has some buttons. The packaging for the Tab/iPad - again a fairly obvious and uncluttered packaging design so unless the author is seeking for every other company to have to create something that is completely unintuitive and messy then it's not worth pointing out.

Some of it is much less ambiguous though and could be taken to imply prima facie that Samsung copied or at least took design cues from Apple.

 

[n111ck]

Shock as an American company wins in America with an American jury in Apples own back yard against a Korean company

While I'm at it, Have you care to read how the Jury came to it's verdicts?, it's complete lolworthy, they may as well worked for Apple tbh.

So Samsung had no say in jury selection and its all a big conspiracy? Samsung are even more stupid then as they must have known they wouldnt get away with ripping off the designs.

 

[Van Hellseek]

i think $1bn is a bit steep

(Sorry, couldn't resist).

 

[Kamwah]

Who cares? Samsung doesn't need phones to be cool.

Samsung Khan team ftw.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

2 phones announced a month apart, looking very similar. Its not like Samsung took 30 days to make their phone. To be fair, can we know who designed that first? prototypes, mockups

The design patent for the F700 in Korea was filed before the iPhone was shown in public.

I'm not claiming that Samsung copied anyone with the F700 though, just that Apple didn't copy Samsung like the picture claims.

OTH,it also showed the rounded edges were thought of at Samsung too,before the iPhone was released. Internally,the iPhone was probably designed earlier,but unless Samsung has insiders at Apple,they would have had no clue at the time,would they??

However,the judge said it was not relevant to the case and did not allow the designer to testify. Yet,a large amount of the damages are actually down to the fact Samsung used rounded edges!

But the worse thing is that loads of phones use rounded edges,such as ones from Motorola,which look nothing like the Apple ones.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I also struggle to read anything from Florian Mueller without a tanker full of salt, I'm just never quite sure what company has paid him more this day/week/month...

It seems Florian Mueller is employed by Oracle and Microsoft:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2199752/google-and-oracle-publish-lists-of-paid-bloggers

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120817151150419

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...gle-may-signal-ceasefire/?tag=mncol;morePosts

Oracle list him as a paid blogger too.

I only just found that out today!!

 

[Howard]

Why is it only in the computer / mobile phone market that "copying" like this goes noticed? It happens everywhere.

Why aren't TV manufacturers patenting remote control button layouts, or piano-black bezels with rounded corners? Why aren't car manufacturers suing each other for developing turn-by-turn navigation systems or 10-way electrically-adjustable seats?

Apple haven't innovated or invented anything, they've simply taken existing concepts and technologies and marketed them for their latest products. You have to applaud their marketing strategy, but I disagree that basic human interaction designs and concepts should be allowed to be patented. Multi-touch? It's existed since way before the iPhone was revealed. Pinch-to-zoom. That's so basic it must have taken Apple at least 5 minutes to implement.

I believe that what's better for the consumer is not a choice of one phone that rests on the laurels of one company's ethos or several others that are limited by the iron-fisted rulings of said other company, but for a number of competing manufacturers working to bring a good quality selection to the consumer, and Apple need to realise that this is the way it should work.

Apple have done a brilliant job of working with a flawed patents system, and yes admittedly Samsung did study iOS quite closely for the design of their software, but car companies for example do the same. Vauxhall will get hold of Ford's latest car and tear it down to the bare nuts and bolts in order to see areas of which Ford may have innovated. Ford will do the same with Vauxhall's latest car. Why can't Apple do this?

Has there not been any uproar about the fact that Apple blatantly "copied" the Android pull-down notification area? (Genuine question).

 

[antran]

^^^ that's what I've been thinking, if this ever happened in the car industry we all be driving the same ugly cars.

This whole lawsuit is a waste of time and money, If I was the judge I would tell both companies to go home and stop wasting my time.

I got nothing against the iphone but the price just expensive for what they are. I'll never buy a iphone unless it was given to me or going for dirt cheap.

 

[BlackDragon]

How is forcing companies to do things in different ways, rather copy others stifling innovation? Quite the opposite.

Many advances in technology, including software (and probably just about anything), are made by building on the ideas of others. It's not copying/stealing. This is exactly what Apple have done, except they've patented everything they've done so they can try muscle people out of the market.

 

[Cleeecooo]

Shock as an American company wins in America with an American jury in Apples own back yard against a Korean company

While I'm at it, Have you care to read how the Jury came to it's verdicts?, it's complete lolworthy, they may as well worked for Apple tbh.

Any chance of a link?

 

[hola_adios]

Wish the patent law would had been in place 5000 years ago, we would have ended with Buddhism only

By the way Steve Jobs stole from everyone, he admitted so himself. Apple is acting not in what is in best interest for the customers, but for Apple.