Archery

Well, I went and splooged all my cash at Aardvarks :D

This is what I picked up:

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I went for the Hoyt Horizon Pro package in the end, the guy in the shop was extremely helpful, and didn't try to pressure me into getting anything I didn't "need" or anything that would be OTT for a beginner.

Yes the riser is probably a bit overkill for now, but the whole thing shoots absolutely beautiful, and although I haven't shot a proper 'score' competition with it, I'm shooting FAR better than with the club equipment.

Limbs are SF foam/fibre, 22lb rated, but the bow was drawing closer to 24lbs on their scales at my draw length. I heeded the wise advice of several archers and didn't get too high a draw-weight, as beginners tend to do (apparently).

Comments/thoughts welcome :)
 
A nice setup you have there. I've never had a hoyt riser, but I know a lot of people shoot well with them, and love them, so if it feels nice for you to shoot, that's the most important thing!

Only think I would suggest, is a different arrow rest, and string nocking points. Personally I shoot with a Shibuya rest (costs about £30, rather than the <£1 yours does), but you don't have to go that extreme, but the wire rests allow the arrow to shoot cleaner, as the rest doesn't get in the way as much! Also, if you get one of the adjustable ones, you can make sure you get the height exactly right, which again, will help your shooting.

As for the nocking points, tied nocking points are nicer for a few reasons, firstly, they're a lot lighter, and don't slow the string down as much (make more of a difference the ligher the bow), and secondly, if you do have a bat shot and the string hits your arm, string hurts a lot less than brass! I've also heard stories of the brass nocking points coming off during release, which could be dangerous (once person I've spoken to said they witnessed someone almost loose an eye as it came off!)

How much bow setup did they do for you at the shop? did they do limb alignment, center shot etc, as if not, they're the next things to look at, as if it's not set up correctly, it can make a huge difference to how well it shoots. (Best off asking a club coach/experienced archer who you trust to have a look if you're unsure)

You did the right thing with bow weight too, a lot of people (me included) end up buying something heavier than they should do. My first set of limbs were 30lbs rated, but stacked quite a bit, so I was actually shooting about 36lbs. I was shooting about 30lbs with club kit beforehand, and my shooting got quite a lot worse before it got better (took me about 3-4 months to get back to the same stage), after which I've been much more careful with the weight jumps. What I would advise though, is when you're wanting to increase your draw weight, start off by winding your limb bolts in by about a turn at a time (depending how often you shoot, I would say up to every 1-2 weeks) before buying new limbs, as you could probably get another 3lbs at at least out of those limbs before the limb bolts won't go in any further when you get to that stage.

Not much else to say about it, but hope you enjoy it! If you have any questions about any of it, I'll do what I can to answer :)
 
A nice setup you have there. I've never had a hoyt riser, but I know a lot of people shoot well with them, and love them, so if it feels nice for you to shoot, that's the most important thing!

It does feel lovely to shoot, I've not shot a whole load of other people's kit, but I've tried a few out, I think it's still a bit early stages to be able to determine differences between risers!

Only think I would suggest, is a different arrow rest, and string nocking points. Personally I shoot with a Shibuya rest (costs about £30, rather than the <£1 yours does), but you don't have to go that extreme, but the wire rests allow the arrow to shoot cleaner, as the rest doesn't get in the way as much! Also, if you get one of the adjustable ones, you can make sure you get the height exactly right, which again, will help your shooting.
Interesting, as the advice from Aardvark was different. He recommended the plastic one as they're cheap, do the job just as well as the metal ones and can be replaced much cheaper and easier. There seems to be a mixture at the club I go to of who shoots what, but it's something I may consider adding later.

As for the nocking points, tied nocking points are nicer for a few reasons, firstly, they're a lot lighter, and don't slow the string down as much (make more of a difference the ligher the bow), and secondly, if you do have a bat shot and the string hits your arm, string hurts a lot less than brass! I've also heard stories of the brass nocking points coming off during release, which could be dangerous (once person I've spoken to said they witnessed someone almost loose an eye as it came off!)
Tied knocking points? :confused:

I don't think I've seen anything in use other than the brass ones, unless it's a longbow and they're completely different. Not too concerned about the point coming off at release, far scarier was the ABS limb that shattered on our 2nd ever training session at the club!

How much bow setup did they do for you at the shop? did they do limb alignment, center shot etc, as if not, they're the next things to look at, as if it's not set up correctly, it can make a huge difference to how well it shoots. (Best off asking a club coach/experienced archer who you trust to have a look if you're unsure)
I can't say with a lot of certainty, as I'm not 100% sure what each of those is. I don't *think* my bow will need limb alignment, as it has floating mounts for the limbs. Is that correct? They did say they'd set it up for me, and they measured draw length, weight, arrow thickness, and setup the pressure button etc.

You did the right thing with bow weight too, a lot of people (me included) end up buying something heavier than they should do. My first set of limbs were 30lbs rated, but stacked quite a bit, so I was actually shooting about 36lbs. I was shooting about 30lbs with club kit beforehand, and my shooting got quite a lot worse before it got better (took me about 3-4 months to get back to the same stage), after which I've been much more careful with the weight jumps. What I would advise though, is when you're wanting to increase your draw weight, start off by winding your limb bolts in by about a turn at a time (depending how often you shoot, I would say up to every 1-2 weeks) before buying new limbs, as you could probably get another 3lbs at at least out of those limbs before the limb bolts won't go in any further when you get to that stage.

Not much else to say about it, but hope you enjoy it! If you have any questions about any of it, I'll do what I can to answer :)

Yeah they mentioned in the shop that they'd set it to the lightest amount of draw weight and that the screws will turn in to give additional weight, so I might wind it up a little bit as I feel more used to drawing it consistently.

Shot quite well last night, despite a painful 3rd finger on my right hand messing up my draw a bit. I'd say I got around 25-30% of hits in the gold, and was reasonably consistent with my shots apart from the few flyers where the string slapped my arm... :o

Looking forward to shooting a 10-end 'competition' like I did at the end of February with a club bow, to see what kind of score I can get with the purple monster! :)
 
Personally I cant stand brass Knocking points (OK for Beginners). It adds weight to your string thus taking a bit of power out of your limbs when you shoot. Thus increasing the poundage you require to get to certain distances. Not to mention they bloody kill when they hit your arm.

I do it like this: http://indiananasp.com/articles/NockInstructions/NockInstructions.pdf. Using either dental Floss or a bit of left over serving string.
 
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Congratulations matt_fsr, you have a decent setup.

I would strongly recommend that you go for a tied nocking point - which uses serving thread instead of brass nocks, What you will find over time is that the brass ones will move which will change your centre shot and even your string picture. There should be a coach or an experienced archer who could do that for you, Top Tip - once you've got your nocking point in place finish with some clear nail varnish and it will stay in place.

Once you go outdoors, I would be a good idea to do a 'walk back test' to ensure that your bow is tuned.

The thing with new kit is you will need to get the basics setup and tuned before you can really be consistent in your goals.
 
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It does feel lovely to shoot, I've not shot a whole load of other people's kit, but I've tried a few out, I think it's still a bit early stages to be able to determine differences between risers!


Interesting, as the advice from Aardvark was different. He recommended the plastic one as they're cheap, do the job just as well as the metal ones and can be replaced much cheaper and easier. There seems to be a mixture at the club I go to of who shoots what, but it's something I may consider adding later.

Each to their own I guess, but the plastic ones tend to be more of a "one will fit all quite well" rather than the wire ones being "fit one very well, once setup" And I think for the sake of a few extra £ it's worth it, and if it's a reasonable one, it won't need replacing anyway!

Tied knocking points? :confused:

I don't think I've seen anything in use other than the brass ones, unless it's a longbow and they're completely different. Not too concerned about the point coming off at release, far scarier was the ABS limb that shattered on our 2nd ever training session at the club!

Take a look at the link Robertnpmk posted, that gives you an idea. Personally I use serving to tie it. Unfortunatly the photo of the completed nocking point in that pdf looks a lot bulkier than they are if tied well!

I can't say with a lot of certainty, as I'm not 100% sure what each of those is. I don't *think* my bow will need limb alignment, as it has floating mounts for the limbs. Is that correct? They did say they'd set it up for me, and they measured draw length, weight, arrow thickness, and setup the pressure button etc.

The floating limb mounts is different to the setup I mentioned. like I've said, I've never actually used a hoyt, so I'm not 100% sure what the floating limb mounts are, but from what I have come across, is that they're basically just to allow the limb to sit in the limb pockets better.

I'll explain a few of the setup terms I used briefly...

Limb alignment - This is ensuring that (when the bow is strung, and supported from the riser) when looking from the rear of the bow, the string should pass directly down the middle of both limbs, and through the center of the riser. This ensures the string travels in as close to the direction of travel of the arrow, and to ensure one limb isn't shooting from left->right etc.

For example, here's a picture showing correct limb allignment. As you can see, the string passes through the middle of both limbs (that's what the yellow gauges are for indicating) and through the middle of the riser.
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Centershot - This is what angle your arrow is in relation to your string travel. This is looking from the same angle as limb alignment, but this time you have an arrow in your bow. when the string is in the middle of the limbs/riser, you should see the point of the arrow just to the left (for a right handed archer, or right, for a left handed archer) of the string. Usually just the edge of the arrow point should be touching the string when looking at it, but it varies, it's mainly a trial & error test. That's a good starting point, but if you feel like it, you can have a play around moving the button in & out a little till you find what works best for you. (people shoot with the point of the arrow anywhere from further out than I mentioned, to directly behind the string. It's a matter of what works for you)

Once that setup is done, you can start the dynamic tuning, which I won't go into now as it could take a while to explain, and I don't have the time at the minute, but I'll try and find a good guide online for how to do it (I'm sure I've come across one before) But that covers the adjustment of nocking point height & button pressure to allow the arrows to group as well as possible.

Yeah they mentioned in the shop that they'd set it to the lightest amount of draw weight and that the screws will turn in to give additional weight, so I might wind it up a little bit as I feel more used to drawing it consistently.

Yea, it's worth doing, but just don't do it too fast!

Shot quite well last night, despite a painful 3rd finger on my right hand messing up my draw a bit. I'd say I got around 25-30% of hits in the gold, and was reasonably consistent with my shots apart from the few flyers where the string slapped my arm... :o

Very nice! Is the slapping of your arm normal, or is it new for this kit? If it is normal, you probably want a coach to take a look at you, see what's going on, if it's only started with this kit, it could indicate the bow isn't correctly setup, as if not setup correctly, the string might not be travelling in a straight line after release, which could cause the string to impact your arm as it wobbles about!

Looking forward to shooting a 10-end 'competition' like I did at the end of February with a club bow, to see what kind of score I can get with the purple monster! :)

From the sounds of it it should be a nice score, but depending on how much changing you do with the setup/tuning, it might not be as much better as you are hoping as it can take a bit of time to get used to changes in kit!
 
Been interested in Archery for a while now so finally going to give it a go tomorrow. Its quite close by so if I enjoy it I might look into getting my on bow since its a lot cheaper if you have your own stuff. £15 for a half day rather than £20 for 30 minutes.

I've been told the Samick Sage bow is a good one to get for beginners so might look into that one but it seems like I'd have to get it shipped from the US.

What other things would need to be ordered? Quiver, arrows and a wrist thing? :p
 
Been interested in Archery for a while now so finally going to give it a go tomorrow. Its quite close by so if I enjoy it I might look into getting my on bow since its a lot cheaper if you have your own stuff. £15 for a half day rather than £20 for 30 minutes.

I've been told the Samick Sage bow is a good one to get for beginners so might look into that one but it seems like I'd have to get it shipped from the US.

What other things would need to be ordered? Quiver, arrows and a wrist thing? :p

Going from my own personal experience, I'd STRONGLY recommend you go to an archery shop if you want to get a bow.

I appreciate that it's a long trip from Scotland, but Aardvark in Leeds were brilliantly helpful with me, and it took a couple of hours to select and setup my bow, and arrows matched to me and my draw weight. The advice I was given was to spend as much as you can afford on the riser, and then think about getting other 'upgrades' later and keep the same riser. I'm VERY happy with the way this theory has worked out for me.

And FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please don't get a 40+lbs draw weight bow thinking you'll grow into it.

I shot last night stood next to another beginner like myself who started in January, who has just fitted his new limbs to his bow and it's drawing around 36lbs. His shots were going all over the place, literally 6 arrows and he'd hit a different scoring ring with each arrow! :(

This is my first end of 6 arrows, having not shot in about 2 weeks due to being unwell, from my bow (pictured above) drawing 24lbs, at ~25 yards range:

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To R.C.Anderson - I've only scored myself once with this bow so far, and I got a 474 on a 60cm target face at 25 yards. It would have been higher, but I'd been having problems with my sight screw not holding it in place properly, so a couple of 'flyers' went a bit wild and scored 3's here and there, bringing my average down a bit.

I'm off shooting again tonight hopefully, so I may well score myself and see if I can improve on that. :)
 
I've sent a request through to a local archery group to get on one of their beginner sessions. Sadly I think the waiting list is big enough that I'll not get to go until September though :s
 
Been getting into this with the archery society at uni, can really see the appeal. Just shooting recurves for now, but whenever i look into it or talk about it with someone i can't wait for the next session to improve my technique. It will be at least a few months until i actually think about getting my own bow, but i'm instinctively more drawn (get it?) to traditional stuff.

Am i just being oblivious or are there really not that many archery shops in the UK/Scotland/Aberdeen/Newcastle?
 
Am i just being oblivious or are there really not that many archery shops in the UK/Scotland/Aberdeen/Newcastle?

You're a bit out of luck really, the closest I can suggest is Merlin, which is in Bishop Auckland.

http://www.merlinarchery.co.uk/

I've heard mixed things said about them from people in our club, but I haven't yet been and so can't really offer any recommendations on them.

My kit is from Aardvark in Leeds, and they were fantastic with me and don't seem to have got anything wrong.

Meanwhile, shooting last night... this happened :p

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on the way to a total score of 491, which I was pretty pleased with. May soon be looking into small upgrades/improvements soon, as well as maybe winding my limbs in a bit for more power.
 
I first tried archery about 6 months. Went through "taster session" to "beginners course" then "buying a bow" in about 3 weeks. I've got a Hoyt Horizon. The shop I bought from does free "limb exchange". Basically, the limbs you get are pre-owned, but you can go and swap them for a different weight any time you like for free. I started on 20lb, then up to 24lb and quite recently up to 28lb.

I also attended a longbow making course last week, which was a lot of fun with a great (in my opinion) result
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You're a bit out of luck really, the closest I can suggest is Merlin, which is in Bishop Auckland.

http://www.merlinarchery.co.uk/

I've heard mixed things said about them from people in our club, but I haven't yet been and so can't really offer any recommendations on them.

Yeah, i'd already found them. Still an hour's drive away when i'm down there. Guess i'll ask next Sunday where people get their stuff from.

Meanwhile, shooting last night... this happened :p

Awesome! Now do it again :p
 
Completed a beginners weekend shooting so I could get my certificate and join a club 5 mins from my house. Got my own kit pretty quickly due to my needs in draw length and bow length. Very happy but will be shooting more than one a week as I feel progress could be slow going once a week. Love it, love it, love it.
 
Nice to see more archers :-)

I haven't shot in the outdoor season apart from a couple of times as I've been working away from home for 4 months.

Looking forward to the indoor season which starts at the end of the month
 
Had a lot of fun at the shoot yesterday. Talked to a lot of people, turns out there isn't a single archery shop in Scotland. The arrow rest broke off the bow i was using so i ended up trying one with a stabiliser and a sight, was certainly an interesting change. I think i am starting to get a feel for it, although it does feel like the sessions are quite long, they run from 6 to 9:30/10 and pretty much everyone seemed to be getting tired and a bit sloppy by the end.
 
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