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Are the GTX 970's & 980's already the best GPU's ever made?

ubersonic said:
You're trying to compare apples to oranges, the 780's were roided up supercards that appeared between the 600 and 900 series, the was no equivalent between the 7000 and 8000 series, this is an easy mistake to make as the Titan/700/290 escalation scenario is a unique phenomenon in GPU history.

Compared to the 8800GTX the perfect comparison is the GTX980/GTX690 & 8800GTX/7950GX2, and in that comparison the GTX980 wins, it is cheaper than the 8800GTX and performs just as well against it's predecessors.

Another card that gets remembered fondly for it's impact is the 9700PRO, in this case it's even more blatant as the performance difference between the 980 and a 780ti or 290X is significantly bigger than the advantage the 9700PRO had over the 4600ti (granted it is slightly more expensive but it evens out).
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The 9700pro rick rolled the 4600ti. I am not sure where you get it was close. Sure when the resolution was low and no aa/af was applied the 4600ti could keep up but when it was applied the 9700 pro was up to 4 x faster. The gtx980 is no where near in the same league.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/20

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/18

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/21

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/19
 
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TheRealDeal said:
The 9700pro rick rolled the 4600ti. I am not sure where you get it was close. Sure when the resolution was low and no aa/af was applied the 4600ti could keep up but when it was applied the 9700 pro was up to 4 x faster. The gtx980 is no where near in the same league.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/20

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/18

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/21

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/19
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The 9700Pro was an awesome bit of kit that put the competition to shame.

It gets my vote.
 
Yes, if I remember rightly the 9700 pro extended its lead even more when AA was applied - by 40 - 100% in some cases. That is impressive. I had a 9800se which was modded to perform to 9800pro speeds. Great card.
 
LambChop said:
It did make me wonder why you know so much about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmk778tAC40#t=52
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Maybe be best to read his update?

UPDATE: Even with asus 780 i have heard coil whine just less noisy. I have seen lots of videos and read a lots of articles. The conclusion was that it could be PSU. So I decided to investigate the source and took PSU (CM m700) from case and found out that coil whine was coming from PSU. Maybe I was wrong and R9 290x was completly ok but I will never know for sure because I returned it.
 
TheRealDeal said:
The 9700pro rick rolled the 4600ti. I am not sure where you get it was close. Sure when the resolution was low and no aa/af was applied the 4600ti could keep up but when it was applied the 9700 pro was up to 4 x faster. The gtx980 is no where near in the same league.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/20

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/18

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/21

http://www.anandtech.com/show/970/19
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The problem with looking at paper benchmarks from 12 years ago is they don't tell the full story, I owned a 9700PRO and a 4800ti (4600 with 8x AGP, didn't affect performance) and yes the 9700 was better with AA on, but it still wasn't good enough to want to play with AA on, simply put higher res w/o AA looked better than low res with AA (this was true on both cards), so while the 9700 had an AA advantage it wasn't much of a real world advantage.

I'm not saying the 9700PRO wasn't more powerful than the 4600ti, it most certainly was, but the gap is nowhere near as big as revisionist history likes to believe.
 
shankly1985 said:
Maybe be best to read his update?

UPDATE: Even with asus 780 i have heard coil whine just less noisy. I have seen lots of videos and read a lots of articles. The conclusion was that it could be PSU. So I decided to investigate the source and took PSU (CM m700) from case and found out that coil whine was coming from PSU. Maybe I was wrong and R9 290x was completly ok but I will never know for sure because I returned it.
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Maybe the 970 whine is coming from their psu's ? Radical thought, I know :D
 
ubersonic said:
The problem with looking at paper benchmarks from 12 years ago is they don't tell the full story, I owned a 9700PRO and a 4800ti (4600 with 8x AGP, didn't affect performance) and yes the 9700 was better with AA on, but it still wasn't good enough to want to play with AA on, simply put higher res w/o AA looked better than low res with AA (this was true on both cards), so while the 9700 had an AA advantage it wasn't much of a real world advantage.

I'm not saying the 9700PRO wasn't more powerful than the 4600ti, it most certainly was, but the gap is nowhere near as big as revisionist history likes to believe.
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I had a 9800 pro which was not much faster than the 9700 pro and i don't remember having any difficulties playing games with aa. History remember's the Geforce getting a good spanking and i remember maxing games out no problem. Amd even took over Nvidia in market share around this point due to the superiority of the 9 series. Any how it's not worth arguing over as in a few years time the 9700 will still be a legendary card and the gtx980 will most likely be forgotten just like this thread. .
 
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@ the recent talk of ubisoft (iirc AMD's biggest mantle partner is EA...) and coil whine (which is extremely PCB/model dependent and has almost nothing to do with the actual GPU) :

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on topic: The best and most industry changing, meaningful, important etc. GPU ever was G80. I doubt anyone could honestly disagree.

-massive performance improvements on an old process (about the same as CFX/SLI setups of previous gen)
-Only marginally more power consumption than previous gen
-twice the transistor count as previous gen
-took around 2 years for AMD to beat it
-First DX10
-unified shaders
-GPGPU
 
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