Are you proud to be British?

Rome started to collapse when it started to let in masses of un 'Romanised' Germanic tribes as opposed to previously when it had conquered, expanded and 'Romanised' those that it came across......

(Apologies for derailing the thread a little...)

The first Germanic invaders were the Visigoths. They were at peace with the Romans and at least as Romanised as some of the slaves in Rome itself. When the Hun invaded their lands, they fled and tried to enter Roman territory on the opposite side of the Dabude. The Romans stopped the Visigoths crossing the border. This was this act enraged the Visigoths and led to the them sacking Rome a few decades later.

And it's all moot anyway. This all happened after centuries of prosperity and the constant flow of labour made Rome the power that we still admire today. Every empire eventually crumbles.
 
Can't tell if you're being serious?

An immigrant being knighted shows that we as a country are welcoming and tolerant?

I was being serious. He's far more deserving than many. Sorry if it came across as sarcastic.

I was having a sly dig at the self-loathing brigade.
 
Yes. I am proud to be British. We Brits have a lot going for us when compared to citizens of other countries. I can't imagine how life would be if I wasn't British.
 
Rome started to collapse when it started to let in masses of un 'Romanised' Germanic tribes as opposed to previously when it had conquered, expanded and 'Romanised' those that it came across......

Having just looked this up it’s one of many potential reasons for the collapse. One of the other potential reasons was a labour shortage, which ironically is the reason western governments are so fond of immigration...

As for the Germanic tribes. They were essentially refugees fleeing the Huns, who once in Roman territory had to spend a century enduring cruel and barbaric treatment at the hands of the Romans. Perhaps the moral of the story is to treat refugees better and help them integrate with the rest of the country...?;)
 
White guilt is so weird because there's literally no one calling for it other than other white (usually liberal) people.

No one really says you should feel bad about what your ancestors might have done, or for being privileged.

Demonstrably false.....

http://tennesseestar.com/2017/08/23...organizer-asks-white-people-to-give-up-homes/

https://theundefeated.com/features/...people-deny-the-existence-of-white-privilege/

Intergenerational collective guilt/ privilege is a central aspect of modern day cultural Marxism with 'white privilege' substituting for the bourgeoisie and 'people of colour' taking on the role of the apparently oppressed proletariat from classical Marxism. In an academic sense a lot of its proponents are white 'liberals' but its most vocal supporters outside of books and university papers are often not white
 
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I'm lucky to be born British. I could have been born in a back end hell hole where I'm fearing for my life throughout it.

Instead I'm surrounded by ejits who complain that they can't afford the latest iPhone. People who suffer heart problems because they've spent a life gorging on Big Macs. People who think a hard life decision is Sky Q or Sky+ :)

Still proud though. The Brits are brilliant.
 
(Apologies for derailing the thread a little...)

The first Germanic invaders were the Visigoths. They were at peace with the Romans and at least as Romanised as some of the slaves in Rome itself. When the Hun invaded their lands, they fled and tried to enter Roman territory on the opposite side of the Dabude. The Romans stopped the Visigoths crossing the border. This was this act enraged the Visigoths and led to the them sacking Rome a few decades later.

And it's all moot anyway. This all happened after centuries of prosperity and the constant flow of labour made Rome the power that we still admire today. Every empire eventually crumbles.

Nonsense Rome had not had 'centuries' of mass inward migration like it saw in the fourth century onwards.... it had centuries of expansion into new areas itself either killing, Romanising or enslaving the people it conquered not at all the same.

Its as dishonest to claim that the German tribes movement from the third and fourth centuries into Roman lands was 'business as usual' from the Roman state as it is to claim that migration in the UK in the last few decades similarly just represents 'business' as usual for the UK
 
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There’s not really one reason. There are a multitude of reasons. Everything from our natural resources, climate and geography that have us a good start. Our stability and governance (things like the Magna Carta likely made a big difference). Our proximity to trading partners leading to our “mastery of the sea” and subsequent ability to travel the world, the colonialisation that that enabled and subsequently the use of resources and slavery.
Nonsense Rome had not had 'centuries' of mass inward migration like it saw in the fourth century onwards.... it had centuries of expansion into new areas itself either killing, Romanising or enslaving the people it conquered not at all the same.

Its as dishonest to claim that the German tribes movement from the third and fourth centuries into Roman lands was 'business as usual' from the Roman state as it is to claim that migration in the UK in the last few decades similarly just represents 'business' as usual for the UK
Well, it does not have to be true for people to believe in it. The 52% prove it quite well don't they?
 
I always knew OcUK was full of foreigners, first generation born Brits. So obvious with the comments, a true Brit knows His land; the land of our fore Fathers. Do you even know England means the land of Gods new covenant, you would be surprised to find out how many of us still remember.
 
I like being British, but not proud. Its sheer happenstance, nothing to be proud of. There's a lot I would change, but a lot that's given me a good quality of life vs. other people.

Could be an awful lot worse.
 
I always knew OcUK was full of foreigners, first generation born Brits. So obvious with the comments, a true Brit knows His land; the land of our fore Fathers. Do you even know England means the land of Gods new covenant, you would be surprised to find out how many of us still remember.
What the devil are you talking about? England means Angle-land, the Angles being a Germanic tribe who settled here.
 
Nonsense Rome had not had 'centuries' of mass inward migration like it saw in the fourth century onwards.... it had centuries of expansion into new areas itself either killing, Romanising or enslaving the people it conquered not at all the same.

I said that Rome prospered for centuries with high levels of immigration. The population of Rome was ~50% non-Roman from the middle of the first century.

Either way, the Visigoths who sacked Rome were Romanised. They’d fought in the Roman army and dressed like Romans.

You might fancy reading what academics have to say about immigration and Rome.

Its as dishonest to claim that the German tribes movement from the third and fourth centuries into Roman lands was 'business as usual' from the Roman state as it is to claim that migration in the UK in the last few decades similarly just represents 'business' as usual for the UK

You’re treating Germanic invasion as a cause rather than a symptom of Western Roman Empire’s collapse.
 
I said that Rome prospered for centuries with high levels of immigration. The population of Rome was ~50% non-Roman from the middle of the first century.

Either way, the Visigoths who sacked Rome were Romanised. They’d fought in the Roman army and dressed like Romans.

You might fancy reading what academics have to say about immigration and Rome.



You’re treating Germanic invasion as a cause rather than a symptom of Western Roman Empire’s collapse.

It's not immigration if you conquer a bunch of people and incorporate them into your empire.....(the ones that you don't kill or en slave). Yes the roman empire had a lot of citizens with ancestors outside of Rome but for most of its history it was because it had conquered and assimilated them not because they had come from another area and settled in existing Roman lands the germanic tribes moving in towards the end of the western roman empire was an entirely different affair to before.
 
It's not immigration if you conquer a bunch of people and incorporate them into your empire.....(the ones that you don't kill or en slave).

I’m sure people from India, Pakistan, the Caribbean and Africa will be delighted that you don’t consider them immigrants to Britain.

Just to be clear: the city of Rome - not the empire as whole - was ~50% non-Roman at the height of its power.
 
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I am very proud that we have such a long democratic history. It is this free society which has enabled so many fantastic Brutish minds to flourish in the sciences and arts.

When I think of the best of Britain I think of high standards and a sense of fairness and reserve. All of the stereotypes about us I think are pretty much true. People joke about us queuing for example, it's something I never even thought about until I travelled and saw how some countries don't seem to have this as part of their social norms!

You never feel more British than when you are thrust into the heart of other cultures I think. I feel incredibly lucky to have been born here.
 
I’m sure people from India, Pakistan, the Caribbean and Africa will be delighted that you don’t consider them immigrants to Britain.

Just to be clear: the city of Rome - not the empire as whole - was ~50% non-Roman at the height of its power.

Yes I'm aware that the city of Rome was filled with people from across the empire during the roman era. The fact remains that they came from within the conquered empire not from outside of it and as such were to a greater degree 'Romanised'.

The majority of people moving to the UK from places like Jamaica, India and Africa has been since they have been independent so not at all the same.

By your logic native Americans in the USA are 'immigrants' if they say decide to move from somewhere like Nevada or Utah (where most remaining tribes reside) and move to somewhere like New York.
 
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