Are you proud to be British?

inogen said:
Again, you're adding more premises into the scenarios.

Let me explain it mathematically. To do so, we assume constants between the two scenarios to allow us to compare equally. Both scenarios both produce beer and each produces 10 beers. We assume a perfect market with 100% demand.

Scenario A. Everyone is equally poor. Let's say each person has £1 and there are 10 people. So the total wealth is £10.

Scenario B, There are 8 poor people with £1 and 2 rich ones who have £5 each. A total of £18.

Scenario B is therefore richer on aggregate than scenario A.

In scenario A, there is £10 and 10 beers, the price of beers is therefore £1 and everyone can buy a beer.

However in scenario B, there is £18 and still only 10 beers, so the price of beer is £1.80. Here, only the rich can buy beer and they can buy 2 each and have change. The poor on the other hand stay thirsty.

So for the poor, scenario A is better. Even though aggregate wealth is less. Wealth is relative.
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What if the two people with £10 make 10 beers? Price of beer will be cheaper than £1. It seems a little bit pointless condensing such complex problems to an inane simple equation.
 
Half Scottish half Australian here. Been to Australia once in my life, lived in England for all but 4 years of my life.

More proud of being Australian then British.

That sums it up really.
 
Not at the moment. I think my country is going down the pan with our current joke of a Government.

We used to build things, we used to inspire the world. Now we just are behind and I really think that starts with the lack of a Government plan to really plan for more than five years.
 
What the heck are European values? If it’s hard to define values that fit broadly across a nation how can you do it across 27 nations with vastly different cultures.
 
I'm both proud and embarrassed by it.

I'm proud of the things we have achieved in the world as a nation, that I feel like I belong to the nation.

I'm embarrassed by the attitudes that has developed over the last year, the sense of entitlement and '**** you' ism that people have suddenly decided is a normal way to act to each other over a vote.

I'm not embarrassed by Brexit either, I'm embarrassed by the comments as shown in this thread, and that I get lumped in with the idiots making them thanks to my nationality.
 
Gigabit said:
Not at the moment. I think my country is going down the pan with our current joke of a Government.

We used to build things, we used to inspire the world. Now we just are behind and I really think that starts with the lack of a Government plan to really plan for more than five years.
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They only ever have 5 years, trouble is with today's I want it now generation, well they want to see stuff now
 
koolpc said:
Then go live in Australia!
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This is the sort of comment that makes me loose pride in this nation. Why should I go live in Australia? I do not dislike this country, I have my life, my family and my job here. I could be from any part of the world but why should I be told to leave because I feel a stronger pride to be associated with another nation?

I assume by your location, you are Welsh? A nation steeped in pride (though I must confess, a considerably more palatable pride than the latest trend of EDL-esque English pride), but if you chose to move to England, would I ask you to leave just because you feel more Welsh than English? No, I'd welcome you to this country.

Why can't we see beyond nationalities and just be nice to each other?
 
Trusty said:
Because you said you had only visited Australia once but were more proud to be Australian, if that's not having a pop at Britain, I don't know what is.

Now you're suddenly trying to be all nicey nice and play the victim. Good work.
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Poor logic.

Preferring A to B is not an insult to B.

FL630 I understand completely what you mean.
 
Trusty said:
Because you said you had only visited Australia once but were more proud to be Australian, if that's not having a pop at Britain, I don't know what is.

Now you're suddenly trying to be all nicey nice and play the victim. Good work.
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Nope, not a victim, just voicing my opinion. Of course in modern Britain, an opinion is always wrong by the other half of the nation and will automatically cause argument.

I may have only been to Australia once, but I've also grew up in a predominantly "Australian" household, my Mother is Australian, half of my family by default is too. I do feel a draw to that side of the world, yes and I am very proud to hold a passport for the country. Now I am more stable in my life I hope to spend more time out there in the future, who knows, I may indeed move there one day.

Do I feel proud of Britain, the way it's going? A nation of bitter, polarised, passive aggressive people? Absolutely not. Is that a pop at this country? Absolutely yes! We may think higher of ourselves but we are just one step off the USA with right/left political lean and associated attitudes, yet we are so quick to condemn them. People now judge you based upon your political beliefs and your nationality/race rather than as an individual.

Either way, this is the internet, 50% of the users hate the other 50% and normal conversation cannot exist.
 
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