ARK: Survival, Directx 12 Patch this friday.

Will Lucky · 1 Sep 2015 at 20:17

pmc25 said:
If you mean generally, maybe.

If you mean a-synch compute and shaders, no way. It's a UE4 game, and given that Epic are allied with NVIDIA, predictably neither are implemented in the engine, despite being the most wanted feature for the new APIs among devs. Furthermore it's a GameWorks (yet to be implemented) title, where there's no way the dev is going to implement a feature missing from the engine which their partner (NVIDIA) won't support for more than a year (and then only on their brand new cards), and which might give a large performance lead to their competitor (AMD).

Fable Legends is running on the UE4 engine and has Async Compute so the XB1 benefits so, yeah it can use it.

pmc25 · 1 Sep 2015 at 20:25

Will Lucky said:
Fable Legends is running on the UE4 engine and has Async Compute so the XB1 benefits so, yeah it can use it.

That means that Lionhead have put it in themselves, then. Lionhead aren't partnered with NVIDIA (nor would they be as an MS studio), and they're also a much larger and more experienced developer. Also, it's DX12 only, so it makes sense for them to implement as much of the DX12 spec as possible, as it's meant to act as a showcase for MS for W10 and DX10.

pete910 · 1 Sep 2015 at 20:36

pmc25 said:
That means that Lionhead have put it in themselves, then. Lionhead aren't partnered with NVIDIA (nor would they be as an MS studio), and they're also a much larger and more experienced developer. Also, it's DX12 only, so it makes sense for them to implement as much of the DX12 spec as possible, as it's meant to act as a showcase for MS for W10 and DX10.

erm,

https://docs.unrealengine.com/lates...ing/ShaderDevelopment/AsyncCompute/index.html

pmc25 · 1 Sep 2015 at 21:03

pete910 said:
erm,

https://docs.unrealengine.com/lates...ing/ShaderDevelopment/AsyncCompute/index.html

It would be helpful if you read the contents (of the first sentence) of your link.

"The Rendering Hardware Interface (RHI) now supports asynchronous compute (AsyncCompute) for Xbox One."

Note. Not PC. They've already done the work, but they're not implementing it for PC because Epic have a partnership with NVIDIA. They'll likely switch it on for PC once Pascal launches ... as will other NVIDIA sponsored engines / devlopers, and most probably with some kind of tool that gimps or bottlenecks it if it detects GCN hardware, if past form is anything to go by.

AthlonXP1800 · 1 Sep 2015 at 23:38

DirectX 12 patch is now out.

Hope Steam will offer ARK another chance of free weekend so I can try it out with DirectX 12.

pete910 · 2 Sep 2015 at 00:00

pmc25 said:
It would be helpful if you read the contents (of the first sentence) of your link.

"The Rendering Hardware Interface (RHI) now supports asynchronous compute (AsyncCompute) for Xbox One."

Note. Not PC. They've already done the work, but they're not implementing it for PC because Epic have a partnership with NVIDIA. They'll likely switch it on for PC once Pascal launches ... as will other NVIDIA sponsored engines / devlopers, and most probably with some kind of tool that gimps or bottlenecks it if it detects GCN hardware, if past form is anything to go by.

pete910 · 2 Sep 2015 at 00:01

Edit: Dup

Klunt Bumskrint · 2 Sep 2015 at 06:42

AthlonXP1800 said:
DirectX 12 patch is now out.

Hope Steam will offer ARK another chance of free weekend so I can try it out with DirectX 12.

Is it?

fs123 · 10 Oct 2015 at 19:04

So it looks like the much anticipated DX12 update for this game is delayed for a long time..

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/ark-survival-evolved-dx12-renderer-delayed-performs-worse-than-dx11/

As Studio Wildcard stated:

“After we found out it was heavily dependent on drivers and the hardware vendors progress we slowed ours a bit. Its still being worked on, but we have no plans on releasing it until it at least runs betters than the DX11 version. And that is a hard thing to generate an ETA for.”

No prizes for guessing whose drivers have 'delayed' this update. Dare I say we might eventually see it when Nvidia releases a card that has proper DX12 support. Very disappointing when devs play politics.

razorpakk · 10 Oct 2015 at 19:22

The engine is a mess, I wouldn't blame Nvidia for this.

r7slayer · 10 Oct 2015 at 19:39

razorpakk said:
The engine is a mess, I wouldn't blame Nvidia for this.

UE4 is a mess?

Also at the quote above i thought DX12 moved more of the responsibility to the Devs? They seem to think otherwise that its more driver dependant?

razorpakk · 10 Oct 2015 at 20:22

r7slayer said:
UE4 is a mess?

Also at the quote above i thought DX12 moved more of the responsibility to the Devs? They seem to think otherwise that its more driver dependant?

The way the engine is implemented in Ark is a mess.

tommybhoy · 10 Oct 2015 at 20:48

Go on Johan, lets make it interesting...

DX12 SWBF launch...

Tic toc...

flopper · 10 Oct 2015 at 21:02

another example of devs going Nvidia errands delaying games due to old technology.

mmj_uk · 10 Oct 2015 at 21:04

fs123 said:
No prizes for guessing whose drivers have 'delayed' this update. Dare I say we might eventually see it when Nvidia releases a card that has proper DX12 support. Very disappointing when devs play politics.

It just goes to show that AMD can have the best the hardware in the world but they're pathetic when it comes to making it count, we'll still be hearing about async compute in 3yrs time when there's still yet to be a game that utilises it in any meaningful way.

fs123 · 10 Oct 2015 at 21:13

mmj_uk said:
It just goes to show that AMD can have the best the hardware in the world but they're pathetic when it comes to making it count, we'll still be hearing about async compute in 3yrs time when there's still yet to be a game that utilises it in any meaningful way.

How is this ARK delay AMD's fault again? You need to get seen for your AMD hate problem.

r7slayer · 10 Oct 2015 at 21:59

mmj_uk said:
It just goes to show that AMD can have the best the hardware in the world but they're pathetic when it comes to making it count, we'll still be hearing about async compute in 3yrs time when there's still yet to be a game that utilises it in any meaningful way.

I remember nVidia having more problems with this game than AMD lol. AMD arn't pathetic ones here i can tell you that much lol. :rolleyes:

Phixsator · 11 Oct 2015 at 22:00

980ti isnt even enough for this game to get past 45 fps on lower settings...on top of all this the game looks like a collision of cheap unity assets and unreal store assets. i spent more hours trying to fix the bloody thing than playing it and ended up with zero results.

btw where is the ignore feature on this site? i wonna put a certain person we all know who is on it.

pete910 · 11 Oct 2015 at 22:40

Tin foil hat and all but, Makes you wonder why Vulkan is taking so long to get the specs out.

I was on the fence with the whole DX12-compute-NV thing. Knowing how NV can do wonders with their drivers/software, I figured they'd just release a driver and "Balance restored" so to speak.

Now, It is looking a bit suss

r7slayer · 12 Oct 2015 at 07:51

Phixsator said:
980ti isnt even enough for this game to get past 45 fps on lower settings...on top of all this the game looks like a collision of cheap unity assets and unreal store assets. i spent more hours trying to fix the bloody thing than playing it and ended up with zero results.

btw where is the ignore feature on this site? i wonna put a certain person we all know who is on it.

I get between 45 - 55 fps on medium high settings on 1080 on a 290x. Seems Nvidia have somw catchin up to do with the drivers for this game. A 980ti should get way more fps.