Armed gang violence. What's going on in Liverpool?

VincentHanna · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:03

Just watched the press conference about the poor 9 year old girl who was murdered in her own home - Story here:

Olivia Pratt-Korbel, 9, killed in Liverpool after gunman chased man into her home

The nine-year-old girl was killed shortly after 10pm on Monday night after a 35-year-old man, being chased by another man with a gun, forced his way into her house. As her mother struggled to close the door, she was also injured.

news.sky.com

"We now believe that around 10pm two men were walking along Kingsheath Avenue from the direction of Finch Lane.

"At that time they were approached by a lone person - potentially a male - who was wearing a black padded jacket, a black balaclava with a peak, dark pants, and black gloves. This individual was approximately 5ft 7ins tall and of slim build, and they were carrying a handgun."

He said this person shot at the two men, causing them to run away.

After hearing gunshots on the street Olivia's mum, Cheryl, opened the door to the family's house. The man being chased then pushed his way into their home.

The gunman followed, putting his hand through a gap and opened fire, shooting blind around the door. Cheryl was shot in the arm and Olivia fatally injured where she stood at the bottom of the stairs. The pair were at home with Olivia's two older siblings at the time.

There were two further shots at the 35-year-old inside the house, hitting him in the body before the attacker made off on foot.

And this comes hot on the heels of a 28 year old innocent victim gunned down in her own home on Sunday

Woman killed in Liverpool shooting was not intended target, police say

Ashley Dale was "an innocent member of the public" who was "thoughtlessly shot", police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

Anyone in the area know what's going on? I assume these are some organised crime/gang issues where innocents are being shot and the police have indicated that there's a culture of silence - not wanting to grass people up to the police.

Is it fear from reprisals? Or is trust in the police particularly low in Liverpool?

the shadow · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:07

Was surprised it took so long for someone to post this story here

BUDFORCE · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:08

I dunno, but I hope they find that *******.

Gangs killing other gangs isn't ideal, but it doesn't bother me that much.

Someone shooting an innocent 9 year old child....

Uther · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:09

Drugs and gangs I suppose, just scum really. Opening the door when you hear gunshots wouldn't have been my first choice.
RIP to the little one

VincentHanna · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:12

Uther said:
Opening the door when you hear gunshots wouldn't have been my first choice.
RIP to the little one

Yes, and the mother will live with that decision forever - But gunshots can sound like other things - She might have thought somebody was lobbing fireworks around and gone to see what was happening.

Either way, she's not responsible for somebody with a gun, blind firing around her door.

Dis86 · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:13

Merseyside gang violence isn't a new thing. The place is a pit.

Uther · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:16

Dis86 said:
Merseyside gang violence isn't a new thing. The place is a pit.

And a couple of people on here were just saying how great Liverpool is recently!

NVP · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:17

Worked there for a number of years and gleaned there is a long history of gangs being all over but now secluded to the more derelict areas. However, the work crowd were hardly the type to know any of those characters so not got much knowledge other than stay the **** away. Pretty much shot gun shootings and corderned(?) roads every month when I was there, still.

Poor girl, poor family. Heartbreaking.

Uther said:
And a couple of people on here were just saying how great Liverpool is recently!

Liverpool is an absolutely amazing city! Lovely place. Unfortunately with being a city you get city problems.

Tony Edwards · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:18

I blame Khan.

Thekwango · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:23

Tony Edwards said:
I blame Khan.

from Star Trek?

Tony Edwards · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:24

Thekwango said:
from Star Trek?

If he is related to Sadiq then yes aswell.

Chris Wilson · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:25

Tony Edwards said:
I blame Khan.

And Brexit, and Johnson, people like myself, the cost of living, poor recreational facilities and enforced lockdowns disrupting the drug trade on Merseyside, just to save some more stupid posts.

Who or what do you blame for there being no descriptions at all of the perpetrators, the man shot, and the "friends" who picked him up and took him to hospital leaving a mortally wounded child to her fate?

Tony Edwards · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:26

Chris Wilson said:
And Brexit, and Johnson, people like myself, the cost of living, poor recreational facilities and enforced lockdowns disrupting the drug trade on Merseyside, just to save some more stupid posts.

Who or what do you blame for there being no descriptions at all of the perpetrators, the man shot, and the "friends" who picked him up and took him to hospital leaving a mortally wounded child to her fate?

People like you.

potatolord · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:28

Chris Wilson said:
And Brexit, and Johnson, people like myself, the cost of living, poor recreational facilities and enforced lockdowns disrupting the drug trade on Merseyside, just to save some more stupid posts.

Who or what do you blame for there being no descriptions at all of the perpetrators, the man shot, and the "friends" who picked him up and took him to hospital leaving a mortally wounded child to her fate?

It sounds like you think Tony is responsible for all this, somehow.

the shadow · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:29

Tony Edwards said:
I blame Khan.

He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two dimensional thinking

sidimmu · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:38

A city which has gun violence and problems, not exactly surprised.
what is surprising is the amount of incidents involving guns over a short period of time.

Gunman - deserves many bullets themselves.
Guy running - feel for him, but he cant be too innocent here if someone is chasing him with a gun. Cant blame him for choosing to run to place with relative more safety than the streets.
Mother - lives with the worst decision of her life for the rest of her life. Completely unfair.

In my view, the consequences of carrying, supplying or using any form of weapon where if its knives, dusters, guns, tazers etc is not high enough.
Want to be a bad man, want to carry weapons? instead of jail time, force them on to a PUBG based island, and they can go get all their killing fun out their system, one guy survives and guess what, we leave him there for the next run.

GGizmo · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:39

Sadly its another example of more and more people disconnecting from society and forming their own smaller social orders i.e. gangs.

They live inside their small echo chambers and begin to think they are God-like and can take someones life.

Tony Edwards · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:39

sidimmu said:
In my view, the consequences of carrying, supplying or using any form of weapon where if its knives, dusters, guns, tazers etc is not high enough.
Want to be a bad man, want to carry weapons? instead of jail time, force them on to a PUBG based island, and they can go get all their killing fun out their system, one guy survives and guess what, we leave him there for the next run.

Yes lets start doing that!

Thekwango · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:40

Tony Edwards said:
If he is related to Sadiq then yes aswell.

why?

sidimmu · 23 Aug 2022 at 14:41

BowdonUK said:
Sadly its another example of more and more people disconnecting from society and forming their own smaller social orders i.e. gangs.

They live inside their small echo chambers and begin to think they are God-like and can take someones life.

then we send them to an island for themselves and let them fight it out for themselves, then just inject the next round of waste of oxygen scum bags in to their society.