He's probably in Bruges by now.
Armed gang violence. What's going on in Liverpool?
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He's probably in Bruges by now.
Maybe shoplifting could be a consequence if you really need food but shooting and stabbing people? No.
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Although people will be tempted into muggin and theft from properties. There are a lot of people that the only thing stopping them doing crime is their wage packet.
They could have done all manner of things you can make up on the spot when you know nothing about policing, but the reality is that's not how these things do or should work.
If Merseyside Police had prematurely released a name and photo and he'd still fled, people would be blaming them for outing him.
If you're talking about the murder of Darren Pencille in Guildford, it was in 2019 and the attacker was arrested less than 16 hours later.
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Actually he might even just be at his mums house.
surely this individual was a high risk of flight any way so naming him id'ing him wouldn't have been the reason for his going to ground. they were always going to have to get offside as quickly and as far away as possible, he'd just shot a 9 year old girl, her mother and a rival gang member. there's going to be a lot of people looking for him and not just the law. holding back his name and pic to avoid spooking him wasn't a smart move, imo.
i'm starting to get worried, more and more i'm agreeing with you on a lot of issues. maybe i'm getting old and bigoted
There are numerous reasons that the police don't share everything they know. As much as public assistance can be crucial, you get to a point where information gathered via other sources can be far more productive and is more reliable. It also prevents people from feeding in false information that can't then be easily disproven.
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Surely you aren't suggesting serious crime in Liverpool is being handled well, and in particular the police have acted over this killing of a child with aplomb? I'll risk another £20 and state I bet they have a name and photograph of the man the public members have suggested or even stated is the killer, but have chosen, for whatever reasons, to not release them. I would find it hard to think of any legitimate reason to not share a photograph of a suspect to the media in this dreadful situation.
Oh yea I get that. And of course without knowing what exactly the police know it’s only guess work and hot air I’m posting.
But imo, releasing a name and image (if they had one) should have been a priority given the flight risk of this individual.
Holding info back in order to avoid spooking him into fleeing the country or to whatever hole he’s crawled into in this instance doesn’t appear the smartest move.
They may not release it because they don't want have a go's approaching him* (or potentially worse, beating up someone who looks vaguely like him), but have every officer aware of exactly who they're looking for and armed units on standby.
It's like stating someone may have already left the country, if the Police have any idea of who it is they're looking for they'll have issued photos (as they get them to all the normal ports and the security there will be looking hard for him (but it's hard to get that message out fast, as you need to have an idea who it is first, then get the description, name and photo out to every relevant person). It's also possible the police may deliberately say they think someone has gone abroad when suspect he's still around, as for a certain subset of criminal hearing the police think you're not in the country may result in them being a little less careful about where they go and who he lets see him (or make the suspect think the police are looking for someone else).
The police from what I can make out were making arrests and had potential names within 24 hours, that's not a sign of a police force that is failing to do anything, and despite what the Bill and Columbo suggest, actually finding someone even if you know exactly who they are is not easy or fast, especially if that person or anyone they are getting assistance from is even moderately smart.
*They know he's got access to a gun and that he's been more than happy to fire wildly, they won't want to increase the chances of him shooting someone else at random.
Agree, I'd have some sympathy but they all too often are stealing to feed a drug habit or to sell for cash.
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It's madness that we have a police force expected to tackle this lot of mindless savages with a Taser and a baton, they should arm the majority of beat officers properly for the tasks now at hand, and tell them not to be afraid to use their guns, with full legal protection of their actions.
What right minded copper, given the chance to apprehend this man / men, would go in to arrest them using a Taser. Sheer madness..
What right minded copper, given the chance to apprehend this man / men, would go in to arrest them using a Taser. Sheer madness..
Exactly. I gotta work to feed my drug habits. Bloody rascals.
Your totalitarian fantasies are showing again.
Pffft. You don't work. You grift!
Ah and how often does the average police officer meet this sort of criminal again? Is it once a day, once a week, once a month, once a career, or once every ten careers or so? (the vast majority of UK police officers will likely never meet a suspect whose had a gun, without that suspect already being either dealt with by the special units).
Vs how much it would cost to train and equip every single police officer in the country to use a gun with some level of safety, and without doing a US police*.
Possibly the best indication that we don't need to arm every police officer in the UK is the fact that most serving officers (I can't remember the last poll but IIRC it's typically around 80%) say they wouldn't want to be armed.
It's also worth noting that this suspect is very unlikely to be carrying a gun with him, given how many of the guns used in UK crimes are "shared", also it's very unlikely he's going to be dealt with by an unarmed officer, I suspect the instructions to the police officers looking is they should only approach if they have no other option, but to inform the armed officers and keep him in sight.
*And lowing the standards so much they're meaningless and you end up with the police routinely killing and injuring bystanders because the level of training they've got is so poor.
To be fair, mostly I just take naps
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Lay off the indicas!To be fair, mostly I just take naps
Just to add to this, it can also be used to catch out criminals during interrogation. They may give information that was never released to the public, that only the criminal and police would know.