Armed gang violence. What's going on in Liverpool?

imtoooldforthis said:
Explain how Glasgow had such a bad problem with stabbings in the early 2000s making it the murder capital of Europe ? Drill didn’t even exist back then… Same goes for Rhys Jones murder 15 years ago.
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This is a good point. What was done to Glasgow to clean it up, and could that be replicated in other cities?
 
Hades said:
This is a good point. What was done to Glasgow to clean it up, and could that be replicated in other cities?
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@Ahleckz had an answer to that in another thread just the other day

Ahleckz said:
Glasgow had a huge knife crime problem. It wasn’t solved through more police stop and search actions (although there was some of that). Instead it was through engagement and providing things for the knife carriers to do, education, access to other options and opportunity. But mostly, engagement.

Unfortunately the right wingers and racists refuse to accept that knife crime can be reduced by such namby pamby measures despite it working in Glasgow and other cities. We can keep going down the criminal route, and we need to, but we need to engage with those carrying knives before they attack someone and provide other opportunities for them.

Also, with the barristers now on strike it seems our justice system is going to be even worse and less likely to deliver the outcomes people want.

To preempt the fritters, I’m not saying we go light on those that stab - I’d advocate for stricter punishments. But London needs to learn from other cities that have reduced knife crime. It’s not done through marginalising a maligned group. It’s through engagement with them and providing opportunities.
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To be fair though Scotland still has a lot of gang troubles. Instead of guns they are using DIY tools.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Gang chop off rival's manhood with chisel days after twin has holes drilled in his head

GANGLAND thugs armed with chisels chopped off a young man's penis in a gruesome attack beside a main road.
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GANGLAND thugs armed with chisels chopped off a young man's penis in a gruesome attack beside a main road.

The attack on Bryan Hanlon, 26, came a week after his twin brother James had holes bored in his head with a power drill in another targeted underworld assault. Police are horrified by the brazen nature of both attacks and the savage violence used.

The Hanlon twins were both close pals of murdered gangland enforcer Kevin "Gerbil" Carroll.

As well as the grisly injuries to his private parts, Bryan, 26, was left with multiple fractures and severe heead injuries. He is critically ill in hospital.

It's understood he also suffered injuries to his back passage, inflicted by a chisel.
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Seems police corruption played a part in this Glaswegian gang's long term survival:

Kevin ‘Gerbil’ Carroll’s last words, delivered to a terrified street-level drug dealer in an Asda supermarket car park, were: “Anyone who doesn’t toe the line will be getting a bang.”


Moments after delivering the threat, he was shot dead. Screaming shoppers fled in terror as a pair of masked men wielding handguns leapt from a screeching VW Golf.





Each of the two shooters unleashed a deafening volley of close-range fire at Carroll, who was trapped in the back of an Audi.


In the pandemonium, mums lay on top of their terrified children across back seats of family cars, begging for it to end and praying for survival.


Nine years after a small batch of stolen Daniel cocaine was sold by the Club Boys, a suburban supermarket car park had become an incongruous scene of horror.


One of the alleged gunmen was Ross Monaghan, a violent, cocaine dealing Club Boy. The other was Billy ‘Buff’ Paterson, also a Chirnsyde graduate. The suspected VW getaway driver was a Lyons relative.



Carroll posed the ultimate threat. Living on a knife edge, the Club Boys knew that if he was not killed then he would surely wipe them out.



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The scene of Kevin Carroll's murder (Image: Media Scotland)



The familiar post-hit reaction played out — policing platitudes for the tea-time news and a pointlessly ostentatious show of officers flooding the area.




Ten days later, Paterson took a one-way ticket to Spain where he spent months partying with one of the senior members of the Lyons family before going to ground once police began hunting for him. The Lyons family member he met had fled to the Costa del Sol after the MoT station attack four years earlier and had acquired powerful new contacts in Ireland’s Kinahan drugs gang, headed by Christy Kinahan.


Detectives investigating the Asda assassination were stunned to find that Paterson had a treasure trove of top secret police intelligence about Carroll.


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PC Derek McLeod, groomed and corrupted by the Lyons, was later jailed for selling the information and for drug dealing.

With Paterson on the run, the Crown Office decided to prosecute Monaghan but the trial collapsed due to a lack of evidence and he walked free in 2012.



Sounds familiar? Nothing much seems to change...
 
imtoooldforthis said:
lol at blaming drill music on gang violence in Liverpool, a city where there is barely any drill scene at all.

Explain how Glasgow had such a bad problem with stabbings in the early 2000s making it the murder capital of Europe ? Drill didn’t even exist back then… Same goes for Rhys Jones murder 15 years ago.

Its just scallies being scallies, gang cultire existed long before drill music.
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You do get different causes can have the same outcome, don't you?
 
Chris Wilson said:
Seems police corruption played a part in this Glaswegian gang's long term survival:

Kevin ‘Gerbil’ Carroll’s last words, delivered to a terrified street-level drug dealer in an Asda supermarket car park, were: “Anyone who doesn’t toe the line will be getting a bang.”


Moments after delivering the threat, he was shot dead. Screaming shoppers fled in terror as a pair of masked men wielding handguns leapt from a screeching VW Golf.





Each of the two shooters unleashed a deafening volley of close-range fire at Carroll, who was trapped in the back of an Audi.


In the pandemonium, mums lay on top of their terrified children across back seats of family cars, begging for it to end and praying for survival.


Nine years after a small batch of stolen Daniel cocaine was sold by the Club Boys, a suburban supermarket car park had become an incongruous scene of horror.


One of the alleged gunmen was Ross Monaghan, a violent, cocaine dealing Club Boy. The other was Billy ‘Buff’ Paterson, also a Chirnsyde graduate. The suspected VW getaway driver was a Lyons relative.



Carroll posed the ultimate threat. Living on a knife edge, the Club Boys knew that if he was not killed then he would surely wipe them out.



GP17005754.jpg

The scene of Kevin Carroll's murder (Image: Media Scotland)



The familiar post-hit reaction played out — policing platitudes for the tea-time news and a pointlessly ostentatious show of officers flooding the area.




Ten days later, Paterson took a one-way ticket to Spain where he spent months partying with one of the senior members of the Lyons family before going to ground once police began hunting for him. The Lyons family member he met had fled to the Costa del Sol after the MoT station attack four years earlier and had acquired powerful new contacts in Ireland’s Kinahan drugs gang, headed by Christy Kinahan.


Detectives investigating the Asda assassination were stunned to find that Paterson had a treasure trove of top secret police intelligence about Carroll.


Read More​




PC Derek McLeod, groomed and corrupted by the Lyons, was later jailed for selling the information and for drug dealing.

With Paterson on the run, the Crown Office decided to prosecute Monaghan but the trial collapsed due to a lack of evidence and he walked free in 2012.



Sounds familiar? Nothing much seems to change...
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Interesting read, that. I follow boxing and became aware of who Kinahan was through that as he, until recently, had a management company called MTK. Did some reading into him and it's crazy how he seems to have built a good buffer between himself and the gangs antics.
 
Junglist said:
Interesting read, that. I follow boxing and became aware of who Kinahan was through that as he, until recently, had a management company called MTK. Did some reading into him and it's crazy how he seems to have built a good buffer between himself and the gangs antics.
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Dodgy sport that boxing lark. Although I think horse racing comes in a close second, but the dodgy ones seem a bit brighter and better connected in that sport. I guess all sport where big money is involved attract some criminal elements. I think the cache of violence helps boxing attract them though (Not implying you'd use your "knots in cotton" to violent ends of course... :))

EDIT: Nor that you are a criminal of course!
 
Chris Wilson said:
Dodgy sport that boxing lark. Although I think horse racing comes in a close second, but the dodgy ones seem a bit brighter and better connected in that sport. I guess all sport where big money is involved attract some criminal elements. I think the cache of violence helps boxing attract them though (Not implying you'd use your "knots in cotton" to violent ends of course... :))
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If I dare used my physical prowess on someone all I can say is someone would be going to the hospital... and it would probably be me! :p
Boxing is as filthy as a sport can be when it comes to corruption. Wrong thread for it but there are so many interesting stories regarding boxing and the mob. I'm sure it goes even further back but there are some interesting stories regarding the mob and Sonny Liston
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
...sounds more like it was a personal decision without any real outside influence
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The outside influence was at least 10 complaints of things that weren't serious and I thought I'm getting out of this.
eg A complaint came in from an onlooker that I had stereotyped an Asian lad as a Muslim by asking him a question about our hospital Mosque but what she didn't know was at the start of the day he came to me to ask if there was anywhere to pray because of his Muslim faith.
The straw that broke my back was a class I had taken for 2 years on Infection Control & Hand Washing Techniques and was passed off by education and Infection Control.
I applied a gel to the students hands and then told them to cover their hands in it and then I'd turn the infra red on while they all had fun 'infecting' each other.
I was accused by an onlooker of inappropriately touching students hands so I thought bugger this I'm off (this was also upsetting because the 3 women had been playing with the clinical dummy's in the room and their detachable cocks).
I was at a meeting in Sheffield with people (all women) from around the country, I was at the drinks machine and around the corner several women were discussing the event and questioning why I was there. My colleague went mad, went round the corner and gave them a mouthful.
Funny thing is I got that job through positive discrimination, they wanted a male role model for all the students (99%) female, it worked great but there are those who won't allow it.
 
At least manslaughter I would think for the target of the shooting.

This is one of those cases where we should have the death penalty. Both target and the shooter in this case should be dispatched, they are of no value to society.
 
The intended victim of the shooting, earlier arrested, appears to be Joseph Nee a convicted burglar who served time at HMP Kirkham.
 
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