I support MUFC but have always appreciated what Wenger has done for Arsenal. Looking at the league table and how they have performed in the cups this season, it could be the end. He needs a massive performance against Bayern and a massive push to finish 4th.
Arsenal & Arsene Wenger
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Spurs were 10 points clear of Arsenal at this stage last season. Now they're 4 points clear. Spurs have and always will screw up.
LOL difference being from last yr to this yr is that you dont have 'Arry at the helm anymore
. AVB is getting you guys playing very good football at the moment, in fact im going on record to say that i fully expect you lot to give us a severe beating when we meet you next at WHL.I dont expect you guys to drop points like you did last season, thats why i personally think that Arsenal will now find it very tough to break into the top 4 next season onwards.
Other clubs invest in their squads and make them better, what Wenger does is invest in the squad but in doing so, makes us worse.
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The only thing that's going to be massive against Bayern is their aggregate score when the whistle blows at the end of the 2nd leg.
So when RVP said he wanted to leave who would you have bought in to make Arsenal better? Same for Fabregas.
Did Fergie bring players in to make United better after Ronaldo said he wanted out? The united team has been getting progressively worse too, just luckily so has everyone else
United haven't got players as good as Stam, Keane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Neville, Irwin, Schmeichel, 99 scholes and giggs. So quite why you think Arsene should be able to replace the absolute top quality players he's lost when Fergie hasn't is beyond me. Perhaps there just aren't players out there available as good as Henry, RVP, Veira, Overmars and co.
had Wenger bought quality instead of potential quality (as he always seems to do, most of the time it doesn't work out) then perhaps they'd be in the title running and getting through to the knockout stages and that might have convinced RvP, Nasri, Clichy etc (although I don't rate the last two at all) that the team was moving forward?
He and the board need to go it's as simple as that.
He just doesn't buy proved players who can walk straight into the team. Give it a couple of years and jack will be wanting to leave as well and who can blame him.
Can't imaging how the season ticket holders who fork out over a grand to watch us play might feel.
He just doesn't buy proved players who can walk straight into the team. Give it a couple of years and jack will be wanting to leave as well and who can blame him.
Can't imaging how the season ticket holders who fork out over a grand to watch us play might feel.
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So when RVP said he wanted to leave who would you have bought in to make Arsenal better? Same for Fabregas.
Did Fergie bring players in to make United better after Ronaldo said he wanted out? The united team has been getting progressively worse too, just luckily so has everyone else
United haven't got players as good as Stam, Keane, Ronaldo, Beckham, Neville, Irwin, Schmeichel, 99 scholes and giggs. So quite why you think Arsene should be able to replace the absolute top quality players he's lost when Fergie hasn't is beyond me. Perhaps there just aren't players out there available as good as Henry, RVP, Veira, Overmars and co.
Firstly its not about the best players in the squad, its about the worst players. I've said time and time again, try and fail, absolutely fine by me. Fail, know you're failing and keep doing the same thing, absolutely no place being a football manager. Every single person with a brain on earth can see Diaby will both never take part in close to even half a season, and isn't actually any good... yet Wenger has persisted with this "he plays for France(who are crap btw), he's an international, he's a top player, when he comes back he'll improve the team". Once, when he was potential, sure, 5 years later, when he's crap when he plays and never fit and he's STILL SAYING THE SAME THING.
No, buy a Michu, works out great, by a Gervinho, works out great, fine, buy Michu and he doesn't work out, you've lost little, buy Gervinho for what 6-7 times the cost and twice the wage and he doesn't work out... thats an utter failure.
If Arsenal simply got rid of the players we already KNOW aren't good enough, that alone would free up 10's of millions in wages, after a year thats 30mil + extra in the transfer kitty AND 30mil more we can afford in wages for other players.
Keep buying 5 17-20 year olds at 2mil each, at 20k, with an option to extend to 4 years with a higher wage, if they don't work out, get rid, if they do, great. Sticking with Diaby or Denilson or Djourou when we could be finding other players is simply unforgiveable. Yeah, Fergie bought Bebe, he was a complete flop... how many times have you heard Fergie say "he'll be like a new signing", he's an international, he's a great player... no he got rid of him despite the large signing fee, he's wasted less on Bebe than we've wasted on Diaby.
If we'd gotten rid of the crap over the past 8 years, the better players like RVP/Cesc would have been playing with better players, having more success on the field and might not have left, who knows. They left because we failed, that is the problem, not that you can't buy the exact same quality. In the same way Utd strengthened several positions to make up for Ronaldo's loss, Arsenal could have done the same, but didn't.
Arsenal has spent £105mil in transfer fee's alone in the past 18 months, most between 8-17mil... he is buying "quality", or he's paying for quality, the problem as its been for 8 years, Wenger can't spot quality any more.
Wenger genuinely believes Diaby is one of the best central midfielders in the league, he thought Song was a great DM(despite pushing him up the field ahead of Wilshire, Arteta, and at points Fabregas and Nasri).
Look at the age of the team, there are very few "potential" players involved in it, and hasn't been for quite some time. He's bought experience, and he's bought a buttload of over 8mil players in the past few years, and very very few of them have worked out. Buying potential I'd be happy with, but what 2mil players has he bought lately, Park, Jenks.....
City got Clichy for 7mil, we bought Santos for about the same amount... the amount we're spending isn't the issue, its the scouts/Wengers ability to pick the right players.
Wenger has a reputation for improving youth players, he hasn't, for not spending much, BS, for being great financially(he's the single biggest failure in europe basically, there isn't a club out there who spends anything close to what we do without winning something fairly often), for buying potential rather than quality, young players rather than old.
Has anyone seen our squad, I mean, seriously? Where are the real youngsters, Gibbs, AOC and Wilshire? One always injured, one who cost 15mil and hasn't shown anything yet, and one who is fantastic, of a 30-40man squad thats hardly a large portion of it.
Even way back when, who was he buying, Pires, Lauren, Gilberto, Edu, Overmars, Sagna, Wiltord, Verm, Mert, Squillaci, Kos, Arteta, Arshavin, Gervinho, Podolski, Santi, Giroud, Rosicky.
Exactly who are all these youngsters, unproven who cost nothing that Arsenal got..... Cesc and, not many others.
RVP, Henry, Vieira had all played for top clubs and were all 20-21 when they joined, as was Freddie. Its a complete fallacy that we get loads of youth players, we've gotten some great deals over the years, mostly on our sales.
The main difference is most of the players we used to buy, were proven to be top notch, most of the guys we've bought lately are proven to be average at best, the difference is Wenger's ability to judge how good those players are. I never really rated Hargreaves, but he was better than Diaby, comparable to Rosicky, and Utd, with all their money to waste, got shot of him at their first chance, as did City afterwards... yet Rosicky and Diaby are here donkeys years later, still doing nothing, its a joke.
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Wenger needs to go. i personally wanted him to go 2-3 seasons ago.
The likes of United, chelsea and city would never allow a manager to go 6-7 years without a trophy
The likes of United, chelsea and city would never allow a manager to go 6-7 years without a trophy
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Would u rate Wenger better then Guardiola, Klobb from Dortmound, Manchini, AVB and Morinho?
i would not mention Fergie because for me he is a GOAT(go look up the meaning
)Would u rate Wenger better then Guardiola, Klobb from Dortmound, Manchini, AVB and Morinho?
i would not mention Fergie because for me he is a GOAT(go look up the meaning
I would rate him higher than Mancini and AVB.
I don't think Arsenal could attract Mourinho.
Arsene Wegner is a genius, give him time!
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How much time does he need?
Not long after the stadium is sold off.
Manchester City's spending isn't sustainable in the long run - you want Arsenal to be 'big' for a long time, not big for 10 seasons and then drift off once the money has left.
Its got nothing to do with the stadium debt.
Its everything to do with his recruitment policy and management.
He just got offered a 2 year contract extension, my rant from facebook:
so, just heard on the radio that Wenger has been offered a 2 year contract extension. This is a manager who is currently in one of his worst Premier League seasons, who lost to Bradford in the League Cup, who just went out of the FA Cup to Blackburn at home and in all likelihood will be dumped out of the Champions League in the next couple of weeks. A manager who just gave new contracts to perpetual sick notes Rosicky and Diaby. A manager who bought Gervinho, Chamakh and Santos and consistently plays Ramsey and Sagna regardless of how badly they play. Fails to keep hold of our best players. What the **** does he have to do to get sacked! I guess as long as he sticks to his failed principals and doesn't spend any of our massive reserves of money the board will keep him on eternally. The club has become a ****ing joke....
As you can tell i've had enough of Wenger now and can't see how he can progress the club.
so, just heard on the radio that Wenger has been offered a 2 year contract extension. This is a manager who is currently in one of his worst Premier League seasons, who lost to Bradford in the League Cup, who just went out of the FA Cup to Blackburn at home and in all likelihood will be dumped out of the Champions League in the next couple of weeks. A manager who just gave new contracts to perpetual sick notes Rosicky and Diaby. A manager who bought Gervinho, Chamakh and Santos and consistently plays Ramsey and Sagna regardless of how badly they play. Fails to keep hold of our best players. What the **** does he have to do to get sacked! I guess as long as he sticks to his failed principals and doesn't spend any of our massive reserves of money the board will keep him on eternally. The club has become a ****ing joke....
As you can tell i've had enough of Wenger now and can't see how he can progress the club.
Of course it has something to do with it, I read this recently...
For those still singing "SPEND SOME ******* MONEY" while bemoaning our pattern of player sales, this one's for you: If you exclude the profit made from player sales (again, £65M) and property profit (which amounted to £3M), Arsenal would have reported a loss of £31M before tax in 2012. The last time the club reported a loss was in 2002.
No I don't think it's totally to blame but I don't think it can be dismissed as a factor Arsene and Arsenal seem to run quite tight in the transfer market.
Take away the 40 million more he spends on wages than spurs to finish one place higher than them and he would have been in the black every season regardless of his sales.
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Its closer to 60 than 40mil, and in regards to the loss/profit of 2012, the issue is we sold £65mil of players, which counts for that year alone, and spent £55, and then spent about £50 this year, £105 across both seasons, but these get amortised so that £105mil will be around 25mil a season across 4 years...
Its a mess to work out exactly but essentially our yearly spend has now increased 25mil via amortisation(though that perported £30mil loss includes probably 10-12mil of that) of player sales, and we obviously aren't going to sell £65mil every year to offset those losses.
I've said for a while Arsenal are actually being financially very VERY poorly managed by Wenger.
Commercially the club has done nothing for years, its like 50mil in commerical money while Utd rake in well over £100mil, we've had very little growth, largely down to lack of success, crappy sponsorship deals. As much as playing players from certain countries is painfully cynical, playing Park helped Utd gain fans in Asia, we bought MIyachi and refused to play him, despite being easily better than some of the tripe in the team, we bought our own Park, who seems terrible but never even got a chance, we bought Vela who is genuinely very good and playing excellently for Sociedad. We could have been playing some of these guys and increasing commercial income across the globe, instead Wenger buys them, pays them, lets them rot, then tries to get rid of them for big losses. Vela scored once again this weekend, while Gervinho a £12-14mil replacement on twice the wages Vela had, can't hit a barn door.... all we actually ever had to do was PLAY Vela and not pee money down the drain on a replacement who is 1/10th as good.
The increase in sponsorship and the tv money will barely keep arsenal breaking even rather than increasing our profits, all because Wenger wastes so damn much money.
Gervinho, Santos, Mert, Squillaci, Giroud, and I don't think Santi should have been bought either. Malaga aren't missing him in the slightest, we panicked into paying a large fee for a player who is closer to Nasri than Cesc, good when the team is good, fairly invisible when the rest of the team is bad.... its easy to find players who shine when everyone else makes the difference, finding players who make that difference in the first place... those are the guys you spend £17mil on. City are reportedly looking to get rid of £24mil Nasri... because he's exactly the type of player who can't win you a game, he can just help a 3-0 become a 5-0.
If we give him a new contract, I might just cry, this from the manager who last year promised to walk if we failed to get top 4... this year he's been careful to not make that promise.
70mil transfer kitty, that terrifies me even more, ALL of the problem with Arsenal is Wenger buying mostly the wrong players for years. If he can't spot from video of games that Gervinho and Santos are a pile of crap... who the hell will he buy next.
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