Arsenal v Villarreal + AC Milan v Barcelona (Spoilage)

I doubt the ref will change his mind about the red cards,i've stilll not seen it,but by all accounts Garcia swung his elbow before Mullins hit him.Don't think Garcia can be accused of going down too easily either,from the piccy here http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4933674.stm Mullins seems to be gauging his mouth.
for some strange reason the linky also seems to have a piccy of Cisse having a dump - the boy needs more fibre in his diet :)
 
Davey_Pitch said:
I wouldn't accuse you of being biased, I'd flat out tell you you're biased. I don't believe I've ever seen you come out and say something along the lines of "god that Italian team were rubbish tonight, they deserved to lose". There's always something.
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Ive said that Juve were rubbish a while back.
And Inter.
I said Roma were rubbish without their strikers.
Although i rarely critisise Milan, but thats because i have faith in the team, and unlike a lot of people (not aimed at anyone this), im not instantly gonna go and critisise everyone and everything about the team because of a loss.
In fact, scrub that, ive complained about Carlo many a time, & Dida.

Naan_H said:
Couldnt agree more....its funny cos in the PFA awards thread Boom was slating Gerrard (saying he's overrated) when it was Milan team that wanted to buy him at the beginning of the season!!
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I dont recall Milan ever wanting Gerrard. But i belive thats been discussed before, so theres no point in carrying it on. That and it has no relevance to the discussion at hand. :o
 
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BoomAM said:
lol.
Says the supporter who lists 2/3 of his teams knock out games as the best games! lol.
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Of course I'm going to name them, They were the games I've watched. I have to say I'm pleased Milan went out, it would have been truly unfair for them to get to the final for 2 years running when they were outplayed in the knockout games and somehow managed to get as lucky as you will ever see! They were outplayed by both PSV and Lyon.
 
Gooner14 said:
They were outplayed by both PSV and Lyon.
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Then surely PSV and Lyon would have gone through? Although I agree with you that both these teams had the majority of the play, the last time I checked games were won on goals.
 
m1ke said:
Then surely PSV and Lyon would have gone through? Although I agree with you that both these teams had the majority of the play, the last time I checked games were won on goals.
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hes not saying games are not won on goals he is saying that lyon and psv outplayed them but failed to score
 
m1ke said:
Then surely PSV and Lyon would have gone through?
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Nope, you know football doesn't work like that. Liverpool fans may hate me for saying it, but the stone cold fact is that they were the 2nd best team in last year's CL final (apart from the 15 mins when they scored 3 times), yet theys till won it. In football you don't always get what you deserve, especially in knockout competitions.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Nope, you know football doesn't work like that. Liverpool fans may hate me for saying it, but the stone cold fact is that they were the 2nd best team in last year's CL final (apart from the 15 mins when they scored 3 times), yet theys till won it. In football you don't always get what you deserve, especially in knockout competitions.
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Liverpool were 2nd best....the first 45 mins was some of the best football i have ever seen....the quality of Milans play was unbelievable. But we put up a good second half performance all things considering and the sheer grit and determination (and luck) got us through :)
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Nope, you know football doesn't work like that. Liverpool fans may hate me for saying it, but the stone cold fact is that they were the 2nd best team in last year's CL final (apart from the 15 mins when they scored 3 times), yet theys till won it. In football you don't always get what you deserve, especially in knockout competitions.
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Have to agree with you as well Davey, even Arsenal the other night were totally outplayed for most of the match. Got very lucky as Lehmann saved that penalty and made some other good saves...if it wasnt for him Arsenal wouldnt be where they are now....in the European cup final.
 
Gooner14 said:
Of course I'm going to name them, They were the games I've watched. I have to say I'm pleased Milan went out, it would have been truly unfair for them to get to the final for 2 years running when they were outplayed in the knockout games and somehow managed to get as lucky as you will ever see! They were outplayed by both PSV and Lyon.
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Well your free to that opinion.
But wether we played well or good it doesnt matter. We got through.
Everytime i comment on last years CL Final, people allways start chattin rubbish about how Liverpool rightly won because they scored more goals, even if they were penaltys. When in actual fact it was luck, and Liverpool played very bad.
Yet, its different now that you think that we were lucky to beat Lyon isnt it? ;)
 
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zenith10 said:
hes not saying games are not won on goals he is saying that lyon and psv outplayed them but failed to score
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Then why did they deserve to go through? Is it Milan's fault that both couldn't take their chances?
 
Davey_Pitch said:
Nope, you know football doesn't work like that.
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Yes but Davey, they didn't score more goals. I don't see how they deserved it if they couldn't finish off the chances they created - surely the team that does deserves to go through (a good example is the Milan Barca tie).
 
Oh come on, don't tell me you've never seen or heard of better sides losing to lesser ones by luck or bad finishing?

In fact, the Barca/Milan tie IS a perfect example, because there was nothing wrong with Shevva's goal, and it should have evened the match, yet Barca went through. Sometimes, even scoring the goals isn't enough.
 
Weebull said:
Oh come on, don't tell me you've never seen or heard of better sides losing to lesser ones by luck or bad finishing?
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How are they better if they don't score? To me, a team that can't finish their chances don't deserve to go through, as seen in the Milan Barca tie when Milan could and should have scored 3 goals at the San Siro.
 
m1ke said:
How are they better if they don't score? To me, a team that can't finish their chances don't deserve to go through, as seen in the Milan Barca tie when Milan could and should have scored 3 goals at the San Siro.
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Because sometimes, they do score the goals:

ME said:
In fact, the Barca/Milan tie IS a perfect example, because there was nothing wrong with Shevva's goal, and it should have evened the match, yet Barca went through. Sometimes, even scoring the goals isn't enough.
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And not to forget luck. If football was 100% down to the skill of the two teams involved, then yes, the better team would always win, but there's a little thing called luck that can have quite a big effect on a match. Dress it up as excellent goalkeeping, but Lehmann's penalty save on Tuesday was still little more than luck when you get right down to it. He didn't know for certain that Riquelme was going to shoot where he did, and Riquelme certainly didn't know where Jens was going to dive.
 
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