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I wouldn't consider myself to be no. Well, if someone asked me, that's not the answer I would give.

What would you consider yourself to be then, I assume that you were born and raised in the UK. Are your Parents immigrants?

My mother is Native American, but I consider myself British as this is where I was born. I hold dual nationality, but I am British.
 
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Yeah as I say, if I was to use a word it wouldnt be ashamed. Its really just that, if I could turn the clock back to before my conception and somehow be allowed to select the nation I was going to be born into, I certainly wouldnt be hovering in the aether saying "Britain please" :)

Which would you have chosen?
 
It's also a fact that many African Americans are poorer than their white counterparts and this has a whole myriad of other issues attached to it (higher rates of pregnancy, drug abuse, alcohol abuse and gang membership all of which can lead to crime). So, statistically, people who are "poorer" commit more crimes. Therefore, wouldn't it be just as far to say that "most violent crimes in the USA are committed by poor people"?

Well thats pretty obvious.
And wouldn't be unfair to say, again its a fact. Most people know the correlation between low socioeconomic status and crime rate.

As you rightly pointed out there is also a positive correlation between teen pregnancies and low socioeconomic status. Which (when you consider, low socioeconomic status, crime and teen pregnanices) is why abortion saved America from complete chaos,

In 1995 the criminologist James Alan Fox wrote a report for the
U.S. attorney general that grimly detailed the coming spike in murders
by teenagers. Fox proposed optimistic and pessimistic scenarios.
In the optimistic scenario, he believed, the rate of teen homicides
would rise another 15 percent over the next decade; in the pessimistic
scenario, it would more than double. “The next crime wave will get so
bad,” he said, “that it will make 1995 look like the good old days.”
Other criminologists, political scientists, and similarly learned
forecasters laid out the same horrible future, as did President Clinton.
“We know we’ve got about six years to turn this juvenile crime thing
around,” Clinton said, “or our country is going to be living with
chaos. And my successors will not be giving speeches about the wonderful
opportunities of the global economy; they’ll be trying to keep
body and soul together for people on the streets of these cities.” The
smart money was plainly on the criminals.
And then, instead of going up and up and up, crime began to fall.
And fall and fall and fall some more....

...It wasn’t gun control or a strong economy or new police strategies
that finally blunted the American crime wave. It was, among other
factors, the reality that the pool of potential criminals had dramatically
shrunk.

It was abortion that saved the USA from chaos.

Freakonomics, its an excellent book.
 
Multiculturalism in the form of integration and co-existence of communities and the unimpeded movement between communities, communities where each different culture respects and accepts the diverse range of cultures and identities that exist and fosters understanding and tolerance in the process of mutual respect and integration.

The problem with people is that they have hijacked the term to mean segregation and giving rights to minorities that are not given equally to everyone. This is Political Correctness, and is something I do not support.

We should be working toward a system where people are allowed to express themselves within society without fear of intolerance or hatred. This goes both ways, both from the Immigrant and the Indigenous population.

Britain is not and never was a monoculture anyway, and as such we have to look at the reasons why certain communities are beginning to isolate themselves, we need to address things like mass immigration, poverty, inequality, social attitudes and crime within and without these communities.

The alternatives of cultural assimilation and forced social integration lead to such things as Ethnic cleansing and violent persecution of those who do not 'fit' into the nationalist monoculture that kind of society is trying to impose.

So yes I do support a multicultural solution to social cohesion and integration within society. How we address the inherent problems of disparate cultures learning to integrate successfully is what I am open to sensible and intelligent debate on.
Wait, so what is it a solution to? :confused:

What was wrong in society before it was imperative to import other religions/cultures/races? What is it solving?

I also dont know how you dont realise that your multicultural dream will only lead to a monoculture eventually.
 
Which would you have chosen?

Possibly Canada, possibly the US if I was also allowed to select a state. I'd consider Australia but would end up ruling it out. New Zealand might be one I'd need to mull over. Japan might warrant some thought. Sweden would be considered, Norway would definitely be high up on the list. Greenland would get a look in. Finland I'd think about but suspect I'd end up crossing off.
 
Sadly this type of discussion never works well on the internet, far to many factors to consider and its impossible to gauge the tone in which users posts are made.

It makes me think that in posting anything ill make an enemy somewhere, regardless what you say.
 
Wait, so what is it a solution to? :confused:

What was wrong in society before it was imperative to import other religions/cultures/races? What is it solving?

I also dont know how you dont realise that your multicultural dream will only lead to a monoculture eventually.

I don't know why you are confused, I clearly stated the social cohesion and integration is the ultimate aim, and multicultural tolerance is one solution to attain that.

If you have read everything I have posted on this kind of subject, You will know that I have already stated (I think to Nickg) that multicultural integration will lead to a single integrated culture given enough time. Hence the eventual solution. A single integrated society which allows every individual to express themselves and their cultural roots as they wish. Is that such a bad thing to support?

I don't actually support the forced importation of other religions/cultures/races just for the sake of creating a multicultural society artificially either. I believe that mass immigration is something that we need to get to grips with and that includes not only non-EU immigration, but all immigration.

I also support population control, be it by immigration control or birth control.
 
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If you have read everything I have posted on this kind of subject, You will know that I have already stated (I think to Nickg) that multicultural integration will lead to a single integrated culture given enough time. Hence the eventual solution. A single integrated society which allows every individual to express themselves and their cultural roots as they wish. Is that such a bad thing to support?

I don't actually support the forced importation of other religions/cultures/races just for the sake of creating a multicultural society artificially either. I believe that mass immigration is something that we need to get to grips with and that includes not only non-EU immigration, but all immigration.

I also support population control, be it by immigration control or birth control.
How glorious, a world where everyone ends up exactly the same.

We already had a multicultural world. You know, Britsh people have their culture, French people have their culture, Iranian people had theirs, Japanese, African... There was already a place for everyone to express their culture and roots...

Do you think everyone was inherently racist before? Do you think British people had a problem with French culture in France, do you think British people had a problem with Iranian culture in Iran? Of course they didn't. But what people do have a problem with is bringing an alien culture into their country and forcing them to live beside it.

All that 'bringing multiculturalism' home has done is make more people racist and increase intolerance.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is born a racist, you get made one by society.
 
How glorious, a world where everyone ends up exactly the same.

See this is where you have a singular problem with comprehension. I stated a society where everyone was free to express themselves as individuals. That is not a world where everyone is the same now is it.

We already had a multicultural world. You know, Britsh people have their culture, French people have their culture, Iranian people had theirs, Japanese, African... There was already a place for everyone to express their culture and roots...

When the world was a far larger place and cultures and societies were more isolated then that is fine, however the world is not like that any longer and we need to address the issues that globalism brings. Creating some kind of nationalistic insular dystopia is not going to help, regardless of what you seem to believe.


Do you think everyone was inherently racist before? Do you think British people had a problem with French culture in France, do you think British people had a problem with Iranian culture in Iran? Of course they didn't. But what people do have a problem with is bringing an alien culture into their country and forcing them to live beside it.

All that 'bringing multiculturalism' home has done is make more people racist and increase intolerance.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is born a racist, you get made one by society.

You become a racist by ignorance, intolerance, peer indoctrination, fear, and social pressure such as poverty, homelessness and crime. Some people who experience one or more of these seem to shift their own inadequacies and frustration at their own lives onto others and the easiest groups to blame are those that are different from yourself. If it wasn't the 'Asians' it would be the 'Jews' or 'The Scots' or simply the people in the next village.

Also before you start stating that different cultures have never had a problem with each other before 'multiculturalism' I suggest you read some history.

Begin with the British Empire and it's movement across the Globe during the 17th/18th Centuries and how they influenced cultures all over the world.

Your favourite person Adolph Hitler attempted to create a German Super-Culture and forced that upon all and sundry. The Crusades, The Islamic invasion of the Sub-continent during the medieval period, the Romans, The ancient Greeks, The Pheonicians, and so on. All spread their own culture to the detriment of those around them.
 
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The problem here is some of these girls were underage, the men involved in there mid/late 20s and some girls were raped!! them being white shouldnt have any impact on the story itself.

Speaking as a british pakistani and from bradford i remember when i was 15-18 with a few mates we would go looking for girls. Heck isnt that what all teens do? Hell when i first got a car it was open season! thats about all we did is look for "birds". Why do guys put on alloys wheels, loud sound systems etc? to pull girls

Anyhow as i say pulling girls was that simple, pulling girls, not white girls in paticular, back then was just about anything on 2 legs!!

It just happens to be that there are more white girls in this country, are easier to pull and put out easy. It also happens to be most asian birds are a little fridged and take a little time to get inbetween there legs, no guy likes to play the waiting game.

Personally i love me "white birds", we never looked down on them as if they were an inferior species, just an easy pull...Heck sometimes you would get the odd hoe, that would go a round, and would be known to blow just about everyone but thats not because shes white, just because she's a hoe, there were many asian hoe's too..
 
The problem here is some of these girls were underage, the men involved in there mid/late 20s and some girls were raped!! them being white shouldnt have any impact on the story itself.

Speaking as a british pakistani and from bradford i remember when i was 15-18 with a few mates we would go looking for girls. Heck isnt that what all teens do? Hell when i first got a car it was open season! thats about all we did is look for "birds". Why do guys put on alloys wheels, loud sound systems etc? to pull girls

Anyhow as i say pulling girls was that simple, pulling girls, not white girls in paticular, back then was just about anything on 2 legs!!

It just happens to be that there are more white girls in this country, are easier to pull and put out easy. It also happens to be most asian birds are a little fridged and take a little time to get inbetween there legs, no guy likes to play the waiting game.

Personally i love me "white birds", we never looked down on them as if they were an inferior species, just an easy pull...Heck sometimes you would get the odd hoe, that would go a round, and would be known to blow just about everyone but thats not because shes white, just because she's a hoe, there were many asian hoe's too..

Guy tells it like it is. Tbh, there's Asian hoes, especially in Bradford. Flash a nice car, take them for a spin and they're on it like a car bonnet. It's terrible.
 
And another thing, what the **** is Jack Straw on about, the Muslim community, Mosques need to get involved? What the heck are Mosques going to to? Give out sermons saying "no sex before marriage peeps" i highly doubt these guys involved are religious and would give a **** what the "Muslim Community" has to say. What has this got to do with religion?

Go up any council estate and you'll see this sort off stuff going on all the time, dont hear anybody call for the Church or Priest's to get involved!!
 
I thought Jack Straws comments were quite balanced.

I see people are ignoring the fact that he said:

Pakistanis, let's be clear, are not the only people who commit sexual offences, and overwhelmingly the sex offenders' wings of prisons are full of white sex offenders.
 
Im going to throw a curve ball, and ask:

is it because Asians control access to drugs?

They can lure drug users in, white girls, poor girls, asian girls, give them the drugs they need and then really screw them up?



When the world was a far larger place and cultures and societies were more isolated then that is fine, however the world is not like that any longer and we need to address the issues that globalism brings. Creating some kind of nationalistic insular dystopia is not going to help, regardless of what you seem to believe.


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Castiel, you know that Islam is not a religion that can survive globalism - without becoming the epicentre of global religion. You must know that a society cannot become multicultural with Islam because Islam must always be 'above' whatever is native, whatever the laws of the land. It cannot be below another religion. It must be seen to be recognised and ultimately become dominant or there will be riots.

We see this in this particular country where Muslims want Islamic law to be above UK law. Where Halal must replace non Halal, etc.

Islam will not allow for other religions to shout loudly, it has to shout the loudest.

That is the crux of the issue.
 
Im going to throw a curve ball, and ask:

is it because Asians control access to drugs?

They can lure drug users in, white girls, poor girls, asian girls, give them the drugs they need and then really screw them up?

I don't think that Asians have a monopoly on the drug trade, do you?

But I agree that the use of drugs to lure vulnerable women into a life of prostitution is rife, I just don't agree it is exclusive to Asians.





Castiel, you know that Islam is not a religion that can survive globalism - without becoming the epicentre of global religion. You must know that a society cannot become multicultural with Islam because Islam must always be 'above' whatever is native, whatever the laws of the land. It cannot be below another religion. It must be seen to be recognised and ultimately become dominant or there will be riots.

We see this in this particular country where Muslims want Islamic law to be above UK law. Where Halal must replace non Halal, etc.

Islam will not allow for other religions to shout loudly, it has to shout the loudest.

That is the crux of the issue.

We have been through this before and the figures do not add up. There is a small minority of Muslims (mainly 18-25 demographic) that call for Sharia, but the vast majority have no intention of supporting that. The use of Sharia as an arbitration tool is not the same as wanting Sharia to be law either before you bring up that little chestnut, People use a myriad of different ways to arbitrate disputes and they are only binding on those that agree to the arbitration so it is irrelevant to the bigger picture.

Again there is a huge thread on Halal and as was proven the vast majority of Halal meat used the same production values as commercial meat, and I support bringing the remaining 10% in line with that.

As for Islam itself, all religions belief they are superior in some way to all others, this doesn't mean however that they cannot co-exist. In fact throughout history there are plenty of examples where Islam has peacefully co-existed with Judaism and Christianity. Cordoba and Jerusalem during the Golden Age of Islam for example.

The problem is that too many people believe stereotypes and scaremongering media stories to be entirely objective.

There is one singular fact that we must consider, unless you advocate the widespread deportation and ethnic cleaning of all minorities in the UK, then we need to find a way to make all the different cultures and peoples that make up the UK integrate and learn to be tolerant without unduly forcing one specific ideology on everyone, and we MUST begin to limit immigration into this country, and not just from outside the EU.

And that goes for all sides, be it White, Black, Asian, or whatever.
 
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