Asked to resign

Thanks guys, there is some real sympathy and care, more so than I would have expected from gd ;)...

Thanks wolfe, for the general words... I have indeed been being quite harsh on myself about this, as I am with everything else hence this whole problem... I guess I need to learn to get over that, the past is the past, I can only learn from this, and there are many positives to take away from it.

Though it's certainly true that this experience will have an outcome on who I am, in a future office job I'm sure I would wear a work face, and not try to fully naturally fit in (as I do have somewhat of a caustic outlook, until you get to know me). Either that or be my own boss indeed! I'm very open to the world of freelance work, just need time to get my cv/portfolio and stuff up to scratch. Though, it's harsh times, so I'm not feeling hugely confident.

I spoke with the brothers lawyer friend, didn't constitute legal advice of course but was quite illuminating into the whole processes of how these things work, and did think that, perhaps with another employee, their approach could land them in difficulties, though was very inconclusive about my position given my honest recounts of mistakes made. He suggested that should I wish to stay, which in a perverse way I do, I should write a letter expressing that I wish to deal with and fix the issues there are, to become a decent employee dealing with their criticisms. Trouble is with some of the things I've done/said he thinks it would be easy to show trust between employer and employee has been eroded so further productive work may not be an option.

If I were to choose a militant course it's possible, but a lot of headache, and I'm not sure that my heart is in it. I haven't received a written warning about anything, which could play to my favour.

All in all, I still don't know how I feel. Sure, I feel it's unjust - but I'm sure that if I pushed them they could, and would find things to pin on me, I'm sure it could happen, and they would likely take resistance very fiercely.

Which sort of leads me to negotiating a better settlement package... Although I'm not really sure how to go about this! Lawyer friend seemed to think that to get a better deal one would need to get a bit more confrontational, and that would maybe mean a whole argument and proving points and stuff....

So, I'm a lot further along in knowledge and no further to a conclusion, really. I should be negotiating my severance before giving them a resignation right?!? (stupid question I'm sure, just checking) Would the details of the parting of ways be hashed out more fully afterwards? Though presumably if you've given away your hand then you have no power.

And then come all the other life questions from that point. The whole supporting myself thing being one, as I believe that if I resign then I couldn't get any benefits for 3 months at least, which would take like £2000 off my modest savings paying for a house in london with no income. Which is pretty bad. Another option would then be going travelling, which is something I've been wanting to do, and coming back a few months later when time has seen to it that that issue isn't still a problem. But then, does leaving to go travelling in such a fast moving industry mess up my prospects even more....

Well, I'm aware that this has turned into fairly unrelated rantings, if you read this far down this post you should probably be finding better things to be getting on with...
 
Xan no worries mate, I'm in not too a different situation to you, also in London.

I'm basically outright disobedient to my boss on a numerous occasions - never in a harsh way, but I get away with it as the reality is we both know I'm usually always right and shoring up her considerable deficiencies at the job. Her attempts at asserting authority are mere posturing with nothing of value or substance and everyone knows it too. My job is safe, but there will always be that hurdle to deal with.

Though I suspect I'm in a smaller, less corporate environment than you, even though we have a hefty turnover and are a leader in our field. It's truly beyond belief how she's in the position and has been for 15 years (though our randy French owner was trying to get in her pants for the first few - that explains a lot - though not now, at 47 she's way, way past it, heh).

I'm almost waiting for a forced exit point so I can go travelling myself. They'd lose a lot and I'd gain a lot, it's something I think about all the time. If you're being pushed away then maybe now is your best time to go for it. Just think of the incredible freedom.

The job market will suck for a while to come yet, but a seasoned pro with travel and life experience will be a good prospect for most employers.

Keep us posted of how things go.

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vonhelmet said:
That's what I'm getting at regarding the compromise agreement. If they go for a full on agreement then they'll basically get the OP to resign and sign the agreement and basically promise not to badmouth them or sue them, in return for which they'll give him one month's pay and a good reference.

If they are pushing for that sort of thing, then it wouldn't be unheard of to push for more like 4-6 months worth in severance.
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Agreed. I'd go for 6 monthhs.
vonhelmet said:
A lot of employers are hesitant to give any sort of meaningful reference these days, so most will simply opt for giving the dates that you worked and leaving it at that. They don't want to give a great reference and then get sued by your next employer when you turn out to be a numpty, and they don't want to give a terrible reference and then get sued by you when you can't find a job.

They're more likely to just give no reference at all.
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They are obliged to give you a basic reference i.e. X worked here for Y months in Z capacity.

OP, what do you do for work? You must have said something pretty bad for them to say they'll "get nasty".
 
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DO NOT RESIGN.

You won't be able to claim JSA and you might need to in this climate.

And don't worry about references. Most bosses won't give bad references in case you come back, see them in the pub, ect and do them over.
 
NEVER RESIGN ever

You cant get JSA and other add ons if you do

Keep your nose clean at work and take the legal advise, as you are doing

edit, beaten to it :)
 
Tefal said:
If everyone has to work with bellends then everyone is a *******.
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Not necessarily. It only takes two bellends in an office and then everyone is working with at least one *******.

Set theory would have been much more interesting if the uni lecturers had used examples like this.
 
Tefal said:
If everyone has to work with bellends then everyone is a *******.
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vonhelmet said:
Not necessarily. It only takes two bellends in an office and then everyone is working with at least one *******.

Set theory would have been much more interesting if the uni lecturers had used examples like this.
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What he said. Except I fully admit I can be a ******* of truly epic proportions to certain people.
 
So essentially they're offering two months pay without work as a "severance payment" in return for you going quietly and finishing off your job. I think you should expect and ask for more than that. No "nasty" route will be cheaper or easier than paying you off.

I'd ask for 3 months garden leave + your months notice, and a guarantee of a good reference. And it all in writing before you hand in your resignation.
 
I was thinking on this today and they really are trying to do one on you cheaply.
They are really only offering 1 months sweetner, they have to give you the months notice anyway even if they make you redundant. Ok they may ask you to work it but theres no guarantee in what they have listed anyway, said project could over run by 3-4 weeks and you get nothing.

Factor in the statuatory redundancy and that takes a chunk out of the month sweetner, factor in that if they would have to propose redundancy then they have to do a process with takes about a week minimum if they do it properly. You also know that if they make you redundant they cannot simply get someone else to fill the position since its redundant they have to be very careful with recruiting for 6 months or so.

Dont go quietly but put serious effort into looking for a job. Its much easier to fidn a job based on being made redundant (it points little to you and more to the inept running of the company) than you resigning for no reason. I would expect to be questioned quite seriously at interview about resigning with no job and they also may ask more leading question to your old company if they seek a verbal reference.
 
arknor said:
how is it wrong? theres no such thing as a wrong question
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Have you ever asked a Jehovah’s witness to explain the meaning of life?

Or ask a policeman if has ever tried his partners helmet?

Or ask a customs officer if it's ok to bring drugs in provided they're kept in an intimate area.
 
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